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11-18-2010, 11:43 AM
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Hey Renholder, I agree it all seems very unethical (also with teksavvy, since Bell is their problem, and they pass it on to you), and you got hosed. But Bell has a lot of real reasons not to like Teksavvy and will treat them and their customers very poorly, do you really expect anything different? In the end you are using Bell's network while not subscribing to them, something which will naturally make Bell pretty hostile to people like you using Teksavvy. This is something you have to realize when you are trying to save some money with Teksavvy, that ultimately Bell owns the network, and owns your nuts, and they will squeeze when they can, and they are pretty much obligated to do that.

The only real way to break the grip is more outsiders coming with real investments, not CRTC rule gimmicks for non-investing arbitragers like Teksavvy.

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11-18-2010, 11:49 AM
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I dont see the point of this as much as I'd like unlimited services... Telcos are already imposing caps the same way as cellphone companies do. Its been this way for years and likey will never change, as much as consumers may want it to. Its not unreasonable for telcos to want to make some money on bandwidth. The fees certain companies charge is whats unreasonable. Videotron recently went down nearly 50% for overusage charges. Its a step in the right direction but we are still no where near as competitive as companies in the uk.
The UK? Not even close to the US!!!!!!!! Canadians get taken advantage of bigtime and worse part is half don't even know it.

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Hey Renholder, I agree it all seems very unethical (also with teksavvy, since Bell is their problem, and they pass it on to you), and you got hosed. But Bell has a lot of real reasons not to like Teksavvy and will treat them and their customers very poorly, do you really expect anything different? In the end you are using Bell's network while not subscribing to them, something which will naturally make Bell pretty hostile to people like you using Teksavvy. This is something you have to realize when you are trying to save some money with Teksavvy, that ultimately Bell owns the network, and owns your nuts, and they will squeeze when they can, and they are pretty much obligated to do that.

The only real way to break the grip is more outsiders coming with real investments, not CRTC rule gimmicks for non-investing arbitragers like Teksavvy.
I and my family had been using bell for 10 years before switching. Yes, they offered years of terrible service, horrible customer service, billing errors, and pretty much begged us to stay by cutting rates. I didn't leave to save cash, i left out of principle. They like to haunt their irrate customers they couldn't keep because of inneptitude. Bell is crooked as sin. Teksavvy will split the payments over multiple months for the tech fee to not be such a burden at once to pay off, something bell would do only very very relunctantly and after mountains of bureaucracy.

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who really needs 100mb unless they are downloading porn 24/7 or sharing pirated software? I use my internet all the time and 98% of it is just web browsing. I love YT videos just fine and game without lag.
if this is all you do, then will you be affected greatly by the changes?

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11-18-2010, 02:10 PM
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I've got Cogeco digital cable and my internet bandwidth usage has been limitted for years now, at one point it was costing a crapload internet because a 45 gig limit wasn't enough and the 150 gb one was the next step up.. I really hate people who try to make money off of things that shouldn't be for profit. It would be like charging me per KM for walking in my shoes.

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11-18-2010, 02:23 PM
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if this is all you do, then will you be affected greatly by the changes?
If anything, metering bandwidth will be a better deal for light users. Right now light users who pay for 30 gigs a month but use 100mb are subsidizing people who use up to max and a less profitable for a provider.

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You guys know what's the wort in this ?
We have the most expensive internet and the slowest compared to Europe, Asia or even the USA

http://www.montrealgazette.com/techn...331/story.html
If you think we're getting ****ed with internet...

My dad lives in England, he tells me an unlimited data plan for his Blackberry is 10 pounds...here its like 40 bucks for 500 megs or something its stupid...

North America has the ********* selection of phones with the highest charges they know how to milk their people thats all

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weird because recently videotron added 10 GB with no extra charges to my monthly bandwidth usage limit
Yeah, me too. And I'm loving it.

Just get videotron, ppl.

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I have 30 gigs up and down with videotron. For what I pay it's highway robbery. Given today's requirements for videos/music/files. What I pay should correspond to minimum 75-100gigs downloading. It's not like I am asking for unlimited or hundreds and hundreds. I will 100% be switching companies when I move.

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weird because recently videotron added 10 GB with no extra charges to my monthly bandwidth usage limit
Which is like donating a single bottle of water to some poor African village.



(not trying to make a tasteless joke here. Just making a point)

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who really needs 100mb unless they are downloading porn 24/7 or sharing pirated software? I use my internet all the time and 98% of it is just web browsing. I love YT videos just fine and game without lag.
Well, it depends on what you watch, I guess. For example, hockeystreams has different options for stream quality, and some of them are 1800 kB/s (HD, obviously). That pretty much maxes out a 15 Mb connection right there - no extra bandwidth for internet browsing, posting on HF (haha), downloading, etc, let alone maybe wanting to have two streams open at once (I love watching two games at once, picture-in-picture). 100 Mb is perhaps a bit of overkill, but it's just the natural increased capacity of fiber optic networks, and I certainly miss having it now that I have left Japan.

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I tought 30 gig was way too much but it seems i bust the limit every now and then. I never knew streaming used bandwith so much, i download a couple of albums a month but i stream a lot, and my usage vary from 20 to 35.. so this new **** is not good news i guess..

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OK well look at it from Bell's point of view? Bell's investors spent billions building up infrastructure, why should Tekksavvy be allowed a profitable ride to come in and arbitrage Bell's bandwidth?

I'm not a fan of Bell, they are awful, but they have an obligation to their shareholders (who are not evil supervillains, large chunks of companies like Bell are owned by pension funds & mutual funds) to make as much profit as possible within the bounds of the law (a rule to prevent inefficiency and employee theft). If they allow Teksavvy to siphon off profits and market share, their shareholders will not be happy.

Canada needs to break down the nationalist walls that prevent new investment (like has happened slightly, when those WIND mobile guys from Egypt were allowed in recently) and competition. This is where real sustainable price drops and speed improvement will happen. It's not going to come from non-investing arbitragers like Teksavvy begging the CRTC for price controls.
You're wrong.

Bell did spent money building infrastructure, but a big share of it was subsidized and payed for by the government. In return, they have to lease the line to third party, that was the deal. Nationalist wall is not necessarily what is preventing competition, Bell is by charging huge mark-up on bandwidth to reseller. You really think a foreign corporation will come here, build a new network in a city and go with lower profit margin. What do they do when Bell and Videotron match their price and they still have billions in debt ?

For those old enough, we had the same problem with Bell back in the day regarding long distance call. The government had given them a monopoly on the phone line but they had to open their network to 3rd party. They charged small fortune for any long distance call (we are talking 10x to 100x more) to the public and to any 3rd party. They were sued and the 3rd party won. The barrier was brought down, price dropped because of competition and they moved on gouging consumer on new services...

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Back in I think 2003-2004 I signed up for Videotron's Xtreme "Unlimited" internet service on a contract. Then 2 years later after they got a ton of people into the deal they started imposing the 100gb monthly caps. As a household with 3 siblings and 5 computers on the network total, it was terrible!

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This ruling is really difficult to stomach because I just decided to switch to Teksavvy this month. I couldn't stand Bell's 40+ a day timeouts, horrible customer service and terrible overage charges. Funny, how they can still take a dump in your soup once you've slain the dragon. I heard Rocky Gaudrault (CEO of Teksavvy) saying that it would essentially cost heavy users hundreds of dollars a month to essentially get what they're currently paying 35 or 40 dollars for. That is wrong on so many levels and I hope to god this isn't going to be the case. Using the internet isn't a privilege dammit.


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who really needs 100mb unless they are downloading porn 24/7 or sharing pirated software? I use my internet all the time and 98% of it is just web browsing. I love YT videos just fine and game without lag.
I'm guessing you mean 100GB. You'd use 100MB in like 2 days max.

Nevermind, I get what you mean. 100mb downloading speed. That's not the problem here though, is it? It's the caps that they are putting in place, which has nothing to do with speed. It has to do with what you can do on the internet.

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I'm guessing you mean 100GB. You'd use 100MB in like 2 days max.

Nevermind, I get what you mean. 100mb downloading speed. That's not the problem here though, is it? It's the caps that they are putting in place, which has nothing to do with speed. It has to do with what you can do on the internet.
I thought we're talking caps too. If ISP's allowed everyone to download at 100mb their servers would crash. It would take some hardcore upgrades, including installing new cable lines to everyones houses to support such an increase in traffic. It'll come in due time though.

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Having an unlimited upload/download grandfather contract with Bell : Priceless

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why can't we have a infrastructure where internet is supplied like government cheese.
it should be everywhere, and it should be free/tax absorbed like medicare. data isn't real, it doesn't cost money. and much like the phone systems, they have been paid for tenfold and long distance calling should be free for 20 years now. but i digress, those wires, they need soooooo much maintenance. it must be why these services still cost anything. or perhaps they need to pay for new lines going up in Nairobi?


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If anything, metering bandwidth will be a better deal for light users. Right now light users who pay for 30 gigs a month but use 100mb are subsidizing people who use up to max and a less profitable for a provider.
I do not have faith that light users will get a break. Nothing ever seems to get less expensive when the gvmt/crtc gets involved.

Light users will not save much if anything, and heavy users will have increased costs.

That's just my experienced, jaded opinion.

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You're wrong.

Bell did spent money building infrastructure, but a big share of it was subsidized and payed for by the government. In return, they have to lease the line to third party, that was the deal. Nationalist wall is not necessarily what is preventing competition, Bell is by charging huge mark-up on bandwidth to reseller. You really think a foreign corporation will come here, build a new network in a city and go with lower profit margin. What do they do when Bell and Videotron match their price and they still have billions in debt ?

For those old enough, we had the same problem with Bell back in the day regarding long distance call. The government had given them a monopoly on the phone line but they had to open their network to 3rd party. They charged small fortune for any long distance call (we are talking 10x to 100x more) to the public and to any 3rd party. They were sued and the 3rd party won. The barrier was brought down, price dropped because of competition and they moved on gouging consumer on new services...
Again comes down to, why is the govt/crtc so heavily involved in this? It's a crazy spiderweb of deals, subsidies, price controls, oligopolies, national barriers to competition all over the telcomm industry. This retarded system has been in place since the 1950s, and is applied everytime some new technology comes out. What has it gotten Canadians? The worst selection, service & prices in the developed world.

Canada is completely ass backwards when it comes to telcomm and it's really showing now. Hopefully Canadians will wake up and demand the government stop acting like this is the 1950s, dismantle the ridiculous CRTC and the stooges who run it, along with the institution of Canadian corporate vampires who are allowed to dominate. Give us telcomm freedom like they have in Europe, let the money and competition come in.

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I do not have faith that light users will get a break. Nothing ever seems to get less expensive when the gvmt/crtc gets involved.

Light users will not save much if anything, and heavy users will have increased costs.

That's just my experienced, jaded opinion.
Probably right, gotta protect the bottom line of terribly run companies like BCE.

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Yeah, cuz unlimited bandwidth means a lot when you're capped at 30kb/s down most of the time .

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Again comes down to, why is the govt/crtc so heavily involved in this? It's a crazy spiderweb of deals, subsidies, price controls, oligopolies, national barriers to competition all over the telcomm industry. This retarded system has been in place since the 1950s, and is applied everytime some new technology comes out. What has it gotten Canadians? The worst selection, service & prices in the developed world.

Canada is completely ass backwards when it comes to telcomm and it's really showing now. Hopefully Canadians will wake up and demand the government stop acting like this is the 1950s, dismantle the ridiculous CRTC and the stooges who run it, along with the institution of Canadian corporate vampires who are allowed to dominate. Give us telcomm freedom like they have in Europe, let the money and competition come in.


Why are they involved?

because the CTRC heads have worked for the big telco's in one way or the other at one point in time. They're all in bed together.

Dissolve the ctrc.

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