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11-19-2010, 01:09 PM
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Kaberle... MAB... Bieka... Jovo....


Sometimes Im embarrassed to be a Habs fan, ' most knowledgeable' Ha, right.
What are we supposed to say? Drew Doughty? Duncan Keith?

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11-19-2010, 01:52 PM
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They traded O'Byrne too early.... (of course nobody knew that Markov would brake up the next game)

Just taking Spâcek out of the line up is already a big plus.


MAB would solve two problems: Spacek and PP.
MAB wouldn't solve much...he has a big shot, it starts and ends there.

If you think he'd be an upgrade on Spacek 5 on 5 you are drunk. As much as Spacek struggled the first 10 games he was still much better than MAB.

Subban already brings what MAB does, let him go to TB, we don't need another 10 min a night specialist, if Markov is out long term we need a 20 minute d-man.

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11-19-2010, 01:55 PM
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we'll never beat the Bruins, be sure of that, but I think we're able to finish 5th and starts the playoff in a good position
The playoffs are Boston's kryptonite...plus we already beat them so I'm not too concerned.

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Mr. Gauthier is the GM

Bieksa would have to be babysat by Hamrlik, so then who babysits Spacek ?
Islanders would want a gain out of Wisniewski.
Vishovsky, if available would cost a lot.
Vancouver is still working on signing Ehrhoff, plus they're a contender. They're not going to trade him so stupid fans will say "At least we got something for him", if they lose.
Marc-Andre Bergeron is ****in' terrible. On top of that, he's hurt
Why would we want a rental in Kaberle ? We give a divisional rival picks/prospects for a player who has been underperforming this year ?
Brad Richards won't be moved until the deadline, but we still have Scott Gomez...
Ed Jovanoski won't be traded until the deadline if traded at all.

This thread further proves most of you don't even watch hockey.

You people do know other teams are trying to win too, you know ?

And why in the sweet flying **** would Gauthier trade Eller for a ****in' rental in Kaberle ? Are you really that dense ? GTFO
Bieksa doesn't need to be babysat but if it makes you happy, Stick Spacek with Gorges playing LH side, Subban with Gill and Hamrlik with Bieksa. Picard is #7.

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11-19-2010, 01:58 PM
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definitely not time to make any desperation type moves, but i think it's pretty clear that both Spacek and Hamrlik were struggling earlier in the season in large part because, without Markov in the lineup, they were forced to play larger roles than they are able to handle at this stage in their careers.

if Markov is out for months, both will have to pick up the slack and play too many minutes, leaving in the same situation as last year, with two guys falling apart at the absolute worse time (playoffs).

knowing, as we do, that Martin would rather lean on them to the point of excess (regardless of how their play struggles) vs living with the inevitable shortcomings of playing young guys like Picard or Weber, I hope that PG is actively looking for a reasonable solution... a vet that can come in as a bottom 4 guy that Martin will trust enough to help spread the workload out.
Solid point.

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11-19-2010, 02:38 PM
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I like our D depth to handle games without Markov just fine. If he's out for the year I'd rather make a trade for a top 6 winger, and let guys like Weber, Picard, Carle have their shot.

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11-19-2010, 02:49 PM
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If our D look ok with Weber ,I will like to see Vrbata in the top6

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The answer to this thread is Langebrunner. Trade for Langenbrunner. Then people will realize with Markov out and a proper top 6 we're still one hell of a team to play against.

Cammy-Plek-AK
Langen-Gomez-Gionta
Pouliot-Halpern-Darche

Not a bad top 9 and if things don't work out Pouliot can be moved up and someone else down.

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11-19-2010, 03:18 PM
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What are we supposed to say? Drew Doughty? Duncan Keith?
Don't worry he won't likely be responding, I'm pretty sure now that he's tried to figure out even 1 better available player and has failed to do so he realizes how dumb a comment that was in the first place.

I mean okay pal here are my picks: Chara, Keith, Doughty, Weber, any other franchise D or player who is or will be signed long term or is RFA...

Yeah the fans are so lacking of knowledge listing players who are realistic enough to be actually acquired.

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we would be stupid to not let Weber his chance to show what he can do since he is one of the most dominant players in the AHL.. Try it first, see after..

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11-19-2010, 03:28 PM
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I'd rather go for a top 6 forward right now that can play the point on the PP if possible, otherwise a big guy a la Clowe, Brouwer etc..

But I'd love to have Regehr too, imagine him in a Habs uniform during the playoffs, he's exactly the type of player we're missing against a team like Philly.


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C. White
Bieska
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Most of them will be UFA this summer or next year....

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Langenbrunner at the deadline and he waives his NTC easily to come play for a contender.
Isn't he very good friends with Gionta as well?

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What would it take to land Brad Richards or Ales Hemsky?

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Let's assume that Pacioretty, Palushaj, White and Engqvist are ready to play on the team next year. With expiring contracts who do we keep? How much salary does that leave us?

That should tell you who we should look at targeting because management always considers this in their decision.

Next season, I can see:
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Andrei K
Pouliot - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Eller - Palushaj
Moen - White - Lapierre
Pyatt

So I don't think we have any room up front. All focus will be on the defence and I think Maxwell, Desharnais and Weber will be traded if necessary. I don't see the first two over any of the guys above. And we'd still have Engqvist, Avtsin and Conboy ready in the next few years.

So look to the defence.


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The question is, if Markov is out for 6 months and the Habs have no idea if he resigns with us next year, should the Habs take a radical course of action and get a top 2 D right now and prepare for the after Markov?

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The question is, if Markov is out for 6 months and the Habs have no idea if he resigns with us next year, should the Habs take a radical course of action and get a top 2 D right now and prepare for the after Markov?
The answer is "no", because the cost to get a top 2 D right now would be exorbitant, and we should still have pretty decent reasons to think that Markov will be retainable at a much more reasonable cost than our other options in the summer.

Yes, we lose something in the meantime not having him on the ice, and having Picard+extra minutes for other guys replacing him. Whether that meantime is 2 weeks or 3 months or the rest of the year, we don't know yet. And we don't yet know exactly what the impact of the internal-options-only downgrade will be. Lots of time to still evaluate.

So when the question is should we "get a top 2 D RIGHT NOW", then the answer is a definitive and emphatic "NO".

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11-20-2010, 11:02 AM
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To tell you the truth, I'd rather them go after a top 6 forward.

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Next season's d-men crew looks pretty thin.

Hamrlik, Gill and Markov are UFA - Picard too (?)

Spacek is Spacek....

Subban, Gorges are the only real proven values left.

Weber, Carle and Nash are huge question marks.

Too bad the Habs gave two pretty good young D in the Gomez deal (Valentenko & McDonagh).

+ O'Byrne is gone too


Maybe Emelin will FINALLY come over !!!!

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I know he's having a rough season but I see PG be interested in Keith Ballard.

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For next year, we have :

Forwards :
Gomez (7.35)
Cammalleri (6)
Plekanec, Gionta (5)
Moen (1.5)
Eller (1.27)

RFA : Kostitsyn (3.25), Pouliot (1.35), Lapierre (0.9), Boyd (0.65), Pyatt (0.5)


Defense :

Spacek (3.83)
Subban (0.875)
RFA : Gorges (1.1), Weber (0.87), Picard (0.60)


Goaltenders :
Price (2.75)

Total : 34M$ (with the buyout of Laraque)

The only RFA who will get a significant raise cap-wise will be Gorges, something around 3M.
Otherwise, Kostitsyn could be kept, for pretty much the same salary.
Let say 3.5 at best.

Dont know what to expect for Pouliot, i will keep him, but for how much ? 2-2.5 probably.

Pyatt is a lock for Martin, and i agree with him, he may gets like 0.8. Same for Picard, good to have as a 7th D.
Darche will be around too, as a 13th forward, he is a perfect fit.
I think Lapierre will be gone, especially because of White.

On the D, Markov and Kaberle are the only UFA options for a true #1 guy, long-term (Ehrhoff wont hit UFA, and i dont trust in Pitkanen) So 6M is the minimum here.

Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammalleri
X-Eller-Gionta
Pouliot-Gomez-Pacioretty?
Moen-White-Pyatt
Darche

6Mguy-Gorges
Spacek-Subban
Weber?-X
Picard

Price
A backup at 0.8-1M

Does Weber and Pacioretty have to go through waivers next year ?
I am almost sure for the swiss, but i dont know for Pacioretty.
Unfortunately, our future lineup relies heavily on the level of Eller.
He must be able to anchor a 2nd line, as soon as possible.

I dont think its efficient to put Pacioretty, who is still young, with either Pouliot and Eller, who have a lot of work to do, especially on the D part of their game.
Which means one of the three may have to leave.

The same could be said for Weber.
Either he will be a 7th D, which is not really good for his development, either he will be in the lineup, but then, we will have to look for a complete right-handed D-Man, as i wanna see Spacek moving back to his natural side.

If both are in the lineup, we will have (assuming the cap will not move) 9M to spend on a 50-60 pts winger and a #2 D-Man.

If one of them is in, we will probably have to look for a cheap vet to replace Pacioretty, or a stay-at-home D-man instead of Weber (as on the UFA market there is more O D-Man than defensive specialist).

Anyway, we will have to trade some of our prospects.

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The answer is "no", because the cost to get a top 2 D right now would be exorbitant, and we should still have pretty decent reasons to think that Markov will be retainable at a much more reasonable cost than our other options in the summer.

Yes, we lose something in the meantime not having him on the ice, and having Picard+extra minutes for other guys replacing him. Whether that meantime is 2 weeks or 3 months or the rest of the year, we don't know yet. And we don't yet know exactly what the impact of the internal-options-only downgrade will be. Lots of time to still evaluate.

So when the question is should we "get a top 2 D RIGHT NOW", then the answer is a definitive and emphatic "NO".
So you're just saying no for the sake of it? Other than "it would could cost too much". I'm not saying we go get a Pronger but a D of a higher quality than can help us go far in the playoffs.

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