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11-20-2010, 12:03 PM
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JVR will be a great player in time. There is no reason to trade him, especially with his cap hit being so low atm
While admittedly this is extremely glass half-full, having JVR take a little time would not be the worst thing considering our cap situation.

From a playing standpoint, it'd be great if he put up 70 points this year and next, but from a cap situation, not so much.

I mean, if he takes until he's 23 or 24 to "break out", that is not the worst thing ever and that's not unprecedented either.

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11-20-2010, 12:37 PM
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As long as he's mediocre, he'll be cheap to resign. The risk is that he doesn't break out

I think this is a typical sophomore slump. He worked really hard this offseason and when he hasn't been rewarded for it, it damages the confidence. The bounces will come and he'll get his confidence and his scoring back. When he was playing poorly, he just looked like he was afraid to make mistakes. You can't win if you're afraid of losing.

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11-20-2010, 12:50 PM
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Voracek isn't a world beater, and Turris isn't either. Turris is closer to a bust than anyone else drafted in the Top 10.

The '07 draft is essentially 1 person deep right now, and the 2 best players after Kane (Sutter and Perron) weren't even Top 10 picks (unless you consider Sam Gagner, who I'm not convinced would make this team). If they redid that draft today in the same order, I think they're still taking JVR.

The Flyers right now have the luxury of bringing JVR along as he needs to. There's no rush for him to be a superstar this season.


Although, I'd be disappointed if he's short of a half-point per game and less than 20 goals
His stats are better then JVR's this year I think.

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11-20-2010, 12:51 PM
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I would like to reiterate what i posted in the Nodl vs. JVR thread.


CHILL THE **** OUT!!!!! He is 21 years old and you guys are ripping into him for not producing. Yea, its a fact that he isnt playing as well as we would've liked to have hoped this season, but a player with his skill set and ability to drive to the net will help us in the long run. It might just take another year. No point in worrying now. We have the offense we need to cover up for JVR not performing. Give it time and stop with these "JVR sucks"/"Trade JVR" threads. It gets really ****ing annoying.

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11-20-2010, 01:12 PM
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He is having a rough patch. If shooter feels he wont be the guy htey thought then:

JVR for blake wheeler and 1st
doesnt work cap wise...throw in Walker

regardless, JVR shouldn't be traded.....yet. He's young

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11-20-2010, 01:17 PM
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Carter gets signed.
JVR's struggles are more noticeable.
JVR is new scapegoat.

Like clockwork. I told you my theory of the Flyer fan blame game is completely infallible.

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11-20-2010, 01:46 PM
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Seriously, guys?

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11-20-2010, 01:48 PM
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Carter gets signed.
JVR's struggles are more noticeable.
JVR is new scapegoat.

Like clockwork. I told you my theory of the Flyer fan blame game is completely infallible.
If they lose tonight, people will say it's Boucher's fault. All of it. with a little JVR seasoning.

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11-20-2010, 01:49 PM
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JVRs body type may be the one factor as to why not get too carried away for now about his overall body of work vs where in the draft he was taken etc.I still have high hopes that things will start coming together for him over the next few years in a good way.A little shot of confidence may get him rolling forward, sometimes a few good games can do wonders for a young player carrying around high expectations on his shoulders.

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11-20-2010, 02:26 PM
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If they lose tonight, people will say it's Boucher's fault. All of it. with a little JVR seasoning.
I think John Stevens should shoulder some of the blame too. Maybe even Michael Leighton.

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11-20-2010, 02:34 PM
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I think John Stevens should shoulder some of the blame too. Maybe even Michael Leighton.
and don't forget Kyle Calder.

When a finger needs to be pointed, they should all be pointed in his direction.

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11-20-2010, 02:53 PM
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I think John Stevens should shoulder some of the blame too. Maybe even Michael Leighton.
Leighton wont play tonight and will half the blame. No worries.

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11-20-2010, 02:56 PM
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Considering Leighton played a very significant role in us losing the SCF, I'm fine with blaming him for anything.

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11-20-2010, 03:01 PM
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I think JvR was better under John Stevens, well atleast at this point of his career.

Does anyone have JvR's stats under Stevens?

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Considering Leighton played a very significant role in us losing the SCF, I'm fine with blaming him for anything.
A journeyman backup shouldnt even be in the SCF unless he is sitting on the bench.

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11-20-2010, 03:46 PM
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Yeah, because Voracek and Turris (especially Turris) are doing oh so well.
Voracek's on a ****** Columbus team, and has 11 points in 17 games this season to go along with 50 in 81 games last year. And he is worlds ahead of JVR defensively. Turris had a solid year last year in the AHL, and was rushed badly, setting him back at least a year in development. I think he will be a better player than JVR overall.

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11-20-2010, 03:56 PM
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Christ people, Give him time. If 2-3 years from now he's still in this situation then by all means call him a bust.

But for right now as far as we're all concerned JvR has always had all the tools to become an elite power forward, and he's still very much young enough to gain the mental fortitude to become one.

Chill the **** out, JvR isn't going anywhere

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11-20-2010, 03:59 PM
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Carter gets signed.
JVR's struggles are more noticeable.
JVR is new scapegoat.

Like clockwork. I told you my theory of the Flyer fan blame game is completely infallible.
Chris,
The number two pick in the draft is always going to be under the spot light. That is just the way it is. I want him to do well. He just needs more time thats all(I hope).

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11-20-2010, 04:47 PM
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I wanted Voracek. And I would've taken Turris over him too back then, and still would today despite the fact that he's a natural center.
Yup I liked Voracek better as well. I don't know who will end up being the better player. JVR was probably the safer bet back then.

The thing I can't stand about JVR is - he just doesn't want to go and get the damn puck. He goes into the corner as soft as Briere but he doesn't pick the puck out the way Danny does. As big and as skilled as he is he should win a puck battle once in a while. Dude has no cojones yet and I don't know that he'll ever grow any.

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11-20-2010, 04:48 PM
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If they lose tonight, people will say it's Boucher's fault. All of it. with a little JVR seasoning.
Well, if it really is all Boucher's fault then I'm okay with that. It probably will be if they lose.



Just sayin'.

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11-20-2010, 04:50 PM
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If they lose tonight, people will say it's Boucher's fault. All of it. with a little JVR seasoning.
if he blows he blows

let's call a spade a spade

it is what it is

you are talking about Boucher right?

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11-20-2010, 04:51 PM
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lol@Flyers fans getting their panties in a bunch over JVR.

Chill the **** out. It's really annoying.
THIS, 1000x this.

He is a PWF. Give the kid a chance. His ceiling is STILL through the roof.

Plus, with our offense, we hardly need him to be a huge presence yet anyway.

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11-20-2010, 05:20 PM
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Let's wait until he needs to shave every day before we trade him...

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11-20-2010, 05:41 PM
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Thank God the Flyers didn't expect Richards and Carter to dominate their sophomore season. If JVR was playing on that 06-07 team, HFboards would be fellating his "raw talent" and "untapped potential".

EDIT: And maybe I'm just crazy, but I thought he played really well in his last two games after coming back. He generated a lot of offense considering he got <10:00 ice time.


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11-20-2010, 06:03 PM
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I think JvR was better under John Stevens, well atleast at this point of his career.

Does anyone have JvR's stats under Stevens?
Under John Stevens:

22 GP, 6 G, 13 A, 19 PTS

Under Peter Laviolette:

72 GP, 9 G, 13 A, 22 PTS

I still think it is too soon to give up on the guy. If he is producing like this in 2 years, then we should entertain the possibility of trading him.

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