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Richards...Leafs, Habs, Kings,Rangers. Who might blow the Stars Away? Habs

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11-22-2010, 10:46 PM
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I'm really curious what the Rangers mega offer is.

If I had to take a guess Rozsival, Gilroy, Grachev, WSH 2nd 2010.

Dallas would have to send back a Dman.
Aside from Grachev what in that offer holds any value? That is far from mega

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11-22-2010, 10:50 PM
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Did you center this to try and make the lineup somewhat appealing?
That lineup is actually really appealing

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11-22-2010, 10:55 PM
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Where do you think Hickey would fit into the ever so deep Leafs prospect pool?? Because I have him making Kaberle expendable, and more then likely being a top 4 in the current lineup.

I never compared Hickey and Aulie who are completely different defenceman, I was comparing Gunnarsson and Hickey...

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You are so far off it's sad. Hickey wouldn't even have a shot at displacing someone from our lineup. The only way he'd even get a shot in the NHL with Toronto is if the Leafs had 2 puckmoving defencemen go down to injury (Lebda would draw in first), and even then, he'd have to beat out Holzer/Gysbers/Mikus/Lashoff/Aulie. He'd likely fall below Jesse Blacker aswell, who was very good in pre-season and has continiously gotten significantly better since being drafted.

Gunnarsson & Hickey aren't even in the same league. (literally) One is an NHLer that was able to succeed lead his team in +/- as a rookie while playing over 21 minutes a night, the other is a former high draft pick who's development basically stopped, while being surpassed in the Kings system and rotting away in the minors while Peter Harrold plays games for the Kings.

Aulie & Hickey are comparable level prospects (i.e. dime a dozen irrelevant to most teams systems), they've had about the same amount of success in the last few years, and if Aulie continues to play well at the NHL level, his value as a player will skyrocket compared to Hickey's. Both have to show some success at the NHL level this year to not be viewed as complete busts.


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11-23-2010, 07:43 AM
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when Richards was dealt to the Stars he was not a UFA the next yr right?

If the top of my head it brought J.Jokinen,Halpern, Smith? Likely a top pick too?

I want Richards on the Rangers bad but I don't want them to overpay and deal to much of the youth

Is a top prospect like Grachev, 2-2nds, Rozsival to offset the salary a good starting point?

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11-23-2010, 07:52 AM
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Traded to Dallas by Tampa Bay with Johan Holmqvist for Mike Smith, Jussi Jokinen, Jeff Halpern and Dallas' 4th round choice in 2009 Entry Draft, February 26, 2008.

Not exactly mind shattering
, and look at what Kovalchuk got traded for. He's better than he was when he got traded, but still, who knows what he could garner in a trade...
Plus cap relief. You could say that was the center piece in that trade.

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11-23-2010, 08:06 AM
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Hickey has great credentials on his resume, and a high ceiling. Yes, 4 years and he hasnt made the NHL. An injury kept him out most of last year, or Im sure he would have seen time in the NHL.

And yes, Gunnarsson has made the NHL. One major difference. Kings have one of, if not the most talented D corps in the league, and the Leafs have one of the very worst. With the likes of Finger, Frogen, Exelby, injured Komisarek, et al..

The Leafs had Kaberle, Beauch, Schenn, (White/Phaneuf).... Not what Id call a killer depth chart in the AHL either... Compare that to the Kings and you may find your answer...

Ill take Hickey any day over Gunarsson.
What are you smokin? Frogen?? Exelby?? Finger?? Not one of these guys plays for the Leafs...

Schenn Phaneuf
Kaberle Beauchemin
Komisarik Gunnarson
Aulie

That's is one of the better - not worst - d-corps in the league. omparable to any in the league. And there 4-6 rivals the Kings.

Hickey has not been good and was not close to playing last year. He has bust written all over him.

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11-23-2010, 08:19 AM
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Plus cap relief. You could say that was the center piece in that trade.
in this case I imagine cap relief will be important. Going to be interesting but I don't expect anything soon

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11-23-2010, 08:41 AM
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What are you smokin? Frogen?? Exelby?? Finger?? Not one of these guys plays for the Leafs...

Schenn Phaneuf
Kaberle Beauchemin
Komisarik Gunnarson
Aulie

That's is one of the better - not worst - d-corps in the league. omparable to any in the league. And there 4-6 rivals the Kings.

Hickey has not been good and was not close to playing last year. He has bust written all over him.
We were talking about last years Leafs defence corps when Gunnarsson broke into the league, try to keep up.

Doughty > Kaberle
Johnson > Beauchemin
Scuderi > Komisarek
Mitchell > Gunnarsson
Greene < Schenn
Drewiskie > Lebda

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11-23-2010, 09:20 AM
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After watching last nights game Kulemin really impressed me. He has speed and is not afraid to crash the net. Obviously to get Richards out off Dallas Toronto would have to offer a robust package but i would like to see Kulemin be involved in it. I think a line of Morrow - Ribeiro - Kulemin would be a pretty solid. Ribeiro is an assist machine and has the uncanny ability to thread passes that Kulemin would benefit from.

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11-23-2010, 09:26 AM
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We were talking about last years Leafs defence corps when Gunnarsson broke into the league, try to keep up.

Doughty > Kaberle
Johnson > Beauchemin
Scuderi > Komisarek
Mitchell > Gunnarsson
Greene < Schenn
Drewiskie > Lebda
The East and West play different styles that makes it really hard to compare. Would Doughty be better in the East than he is in the West? Would JJ also have the same physicality in the East than he has in the West?

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11-23-2010, 10:35 AM
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We were talking about last years Leafs defence corps when Gunnarsson broke into the league, try to keep up.

Doughty > Kaberle
Johnson > Beauchemin
Scuderi > Komisarek
Mitchell > Gunnarsson
Greene < Schenn
Drewiskie > Lebda
out of curiousity where would you slot phaneuf in there?

doughty > kaberle
johnson <phaneuf
scuderi < beauchemin
mitchell = komi
greene <schenn
drewiskie < gunnarson

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11-23-2010, 11:05 AM
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Where do you think Hickey would fit into the ever so deep Leafs prospect pool?? Because I have him making Kaberle expendable, and more then likely being a top 4 in the current lineup.
Hickey's a garbage prospect, he was an extremely good puckmover in his draft year who's development basically stopped after being drafted 4th overall. In today's world of developing young players, guys who dominate a CHL League at 18 (like Hickey did) and make it to the NHL, don't take 5 seasons to make it while showing only marginal improvement in his overall game. They either make it in their 2nd or 3rd season, or not at all. He's had 4 opportunities to make an NHL team that was extremely lacklustre on the blueline, and has now been surpassed by some pretty crappy defenceman. The other general rule of prospects -- you take the guy who's been imrpoving, if anything, it looks worse for a guy that was great 4 years ago to still be that same player than one who's grown since being drafted.

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If anything, the offers will come up near the trade deadline, but like Kovalchuk, everyone's going to be surprised at how low his value is because he might be a rental.

Everyone just thinks of how good the player is but a team is a business, and no business is willing to trade away a lot of their talent for potentially a few months and a playoff run.

The longer it drags on the lower his value will drop because once FA comes around he's up for grabs.

This is all assuming that he doesn't get re-signed, and I think he will get signed.

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11-23-2010, 12:30 PM
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If anything, the offers will come up near the trade deadline, but like Kovalchuk, everyone's going to be surprised at how low his value is because he might be a rental.

Everyone just thinks of how good the player is but a team is a business, and no business is willing to trade away a lot of their talent for potentially a few months and a playoff run.

The longer it drags on the lower his value will drop because once FA comes around he's up for grabs.

This is all assuming that he doesn't get re-signed, and I think he will get signed.
Richards is actually one of those players who's value problably increases as we approach the deadline. He's still not worth clearing out all that salary and there isn't a team in the league that has room to add $7m in their budget and cap. As the deadline approaches, he becomes more attractive to a few select teams that have teh space to add him.

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We were talking about last years Leafs defence corps when Gunnarsson broke into the league, try to keep up.

Doughty > Kaberle
Johnson > Beauchemin
Scuderi > Komisarek
Mitchell > Gunnarsson
Greene < Schenn
Drewiskie > Lebda
yea cause phaneuf got traded

doughty>kaberle
Johnson<phaneuf
Scuderi < Beauchemin
Mitchell=komisarek
Greene<schenn
Drewiskie<Gunnarsson

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It's funny the only way Montreal could possibly make this trade is if either Markov (injured) or Gomez are going back the other way.

For Gomez to go back the other way you'd need to include a guy like Subban or else Dallas laughs in your face and runs far away.

The Markov idea while interesting is just not logical.

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yea cause phaneuf got traded

doughty>kaberle
Johnson<phaneuf
Scuderi < Beauchemin
Mitchell=komisarek
Greene<schenn
Drewiskie<Gunnarsson
Not in the last two years.

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What are you smokin? Frogen?? Exelby?? Finger?? Not one of these guys plays for the Leafs...

Schenn Phaneuf
Kaberle Beauchemin
Komisarik Gunnarson
Aulie

That's is one of the better - not worst - d-corps in the league. omparable to any in the league. And there 4-6 rivals the Kings.

Hickey has not been good and was not close to playing last year. He has bust written all over him.
Yeah true they're just paying one of those guys 4 million a season to play on the Marlies. His bad

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to make the deal work cap wise could the Rangers not move Frolov and Rozsival plus prospect like Grachev, guys like Christensen, Gilroy and 2- 2nd rounders while the Starts turn around and move Frolov and even Rozsival for assets?

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Yeah true they're just paying one of those guys 4 million a season to play on the Marlies. His bad
I'd rather see the Leafs pay Finger 3.5M to stay on the marlies than see them pay a guy with 6 points 7.8M

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yea cause phaneuf got traded

doughty>kaberle
Johnson<phaneuf
Scuderi < Beauchemin
Mitchell=komisarek
Greene<schenn
Drewiskie<Gunnarsson
I'd look at it more as

Doughty>Kaberle
Johnson<Schenn
Scuderi<Phaneuf
Mitchell=Beauch
Green<Komi
Drewskie<Gunner

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I'd rather see the Leafs pay Finger 3.5M to stay on the marlies than see them pay a guy with 6 points 7.8M


Still can't believe we made that pure larceny of a deal.

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