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11-23-2010, 01:39 AM
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the sad part is if we trade him i BET he goes on to be the player we'd wish we had later..

the same one CBJ and the Ranger fans thought they were getting? I remember Ranger fans thinking they stole him from CBJ when they gave up Tyutin.
the guy is here just for the paycheck, that it. You would think he would be busting his ass seeing as this might be it for him. We are getting what we saw in CBJ and with the Rangers. A guy with all world talent, but with a lousy work ethic. What kind of value you get for Zherdev now? a 4th round pick? As much as I dont like him, I say its better to keep him and let him walk on July 1

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11-23-2010, 07:14 AM
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Zherdev led the rangers in points his last year there.

What I still want the lines to be:

JVR/Nodl-Richards-Giroux
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
JVR/Nodl-Carter-Zherdev

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11-23-2010, 07:54 AM
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Z is playing to little to make mistakes... now he often trying to much because second shift in 2nd period maybe his last... but hey his good play earned him 3 or 4 seconds on PP last night

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11-23-2010, 07:56 AM
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the sad part is if we trade him i BET he goes on to be the player we'd wish we had later..
Seriously doubt that.

But I wishwe could trade Zherdev for a power forward, somehow.

They say Penner is available

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11-23-2010, 08:32 AM
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If we were to trade him, id be fine with a 3rd line 2 way winger. Like Kobasew, Chimera, etc

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11-23-2010, 08:42 AM
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If we were to trade him, id be fine with a 3rd line 2 way winger. Like Kobasew, Chimera, etc
if he is moved take a pick or prospect. then at the deadline see what you need. He is the only player who has not been given consistent line mates.

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11-23-2010, 11:46 AM
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What I find entertaining is that you're focusing on 19 games when Zherdev has 384 games in the league... and exasperated some other coaches as well. Lavi is trying to get him to play a certain way -- a way that Zherdev needs to learn in order to be the player he can be independent of any future with the Flyers.

19 games and limited ice time is squat... the cream rises, and it'll bear out over time.
What I don't understand with your argument, Jester, is what merit you give to small sample sizes. I would think that a 19-game view is good for short-term planning. "Playing the hot hand" is the often-used cliché. I mean, we see all the time that decisions are made on the smallest sample size possible; ie, a player has a good shift, so the coach bumps him up a line or plays the line more. And as the shifts stay impressive, he gets more ice time throughout that game. Then, with a good game probably comes more ice time.

I'm not saying that his performance to date this year should prompt Holmgren to offer Zherdev an extension. But to say that these 19 games means nothing in terms of the day to day seems extreme, as does closing the book on a player after 384 games in the league.

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11-24-2010, 09:53 AM
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From Chuck Gormley...

http://www.courierpostonline.com/art...und-for-Flyers

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Recent callup Eric Wellwood also practiced with the club, lending to speculation the Flyers may be listening to offers for RW Nikolay Zherdev, who saw some ice time on a line with Jeff Carter on Monday night . .

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11-24-2010, 10:16 AM
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might be listening to offers, really? great reporting there let me tell you.

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11-24-2010, 02:43 PM
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Didn't you use Carters projected goal total earlier this year to justify his existence on this team?
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There's a fundamental difference between outlier arguments and "guy is producing just fine" arguments.

Just saying.
Small sample size isn't reliable to prove a point, regardless of what the point or context of the argument it's being used in happens to be. Granted, Carter's production this year matches up with what he's been doing the last few, but once you cite those seasons you're not really relying on a small sample size anymore.

What's more, while the sample size we have for Zherdev this year is small, it isn't really that comparable to the rest of his career really. This is a very very different situation than he's been in before. So we don't really know if his performance this season (at least statistically) is as anomalous as it might seem, or if that is close to how he would produce on this team over a longer period of time.

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11-24-2010, 04:18 PM
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I'd be listening to offers for Nodl right now. Hot streak for sure.

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11-24-2010, 04:57 PM
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I'd be listening to offers for Nodl right now. Hot streak for sure.
You aren't going to get anything for Nodl... no point in moving him especially when he is getting the job done for us

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11-24-2010, 05:59 PM
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If we get a pick for Zherdev (who I am against trading) it would be a win for Homer since Z cost us nothing to acquire and has only been paid 500k or so.

But he has 7 goals in the first quarter of the season. 2M is a bargain for that. And he's keeping his +/- fairly decent.

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11-24-2010, 06:24 PM
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But he has 7 goals in the first quarter of the season. 2M is a bargain for that. And he's keeping his +/- fairly decent.
You should really compare apples to apples. Zherdev is tied for team lead and tied for nineth in the league in ESG. And his ESTOI is very limited. This is more than decent goal production -- it is outstanding.

His ESGA is also more than decent. It might be even the best on the team. If he actually had played horrible defense, it would have shown on his ESGA over 20 games, really. So sorry, I am not buying this "horrible defense" thing.

What is off -- is his assists column. It just looks like he has no place on this team, and is forced to play alone.

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11-24-2010, 06:28 PM
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I'd be listening to offers for Nodl right now. Hot streak for sure.
I'll take Nodl at 3/4 Zherdev's offensive production at $1.00m-$1.50m per year long before I take Zherdev at $2.50m-$3.50m per year.

Not only is Nodl demonstrating to be the better all-around player right now even if this is just a hot streak, but he's going to come worlds cheaper.

This is still the same battle it always ever was: Zherdev vs. Leino. Now who do you pick?

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11-24-2010, 06:50 PM
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Zherdev could put up 100 points this year, be +50 and still no one in philly would want him. This ******** surrounding russian skaters has to stop

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11-24-2010, 09:55 PM
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Keep him. I think he is may be one of those players that will step up in the playoffs. Worth keeping him for the risk.

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11-24-2010, 10:44 PM
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This is still the same battle it always ever was: Zherdev vs. Leino. Now who do you pick?
If you posted that poll I am pretty sure Leino would win 900 to 1, with the 1 vote for Nodl coming from you.

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11-24-2010, 10:49 PM
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If you posted that poll I am pretty sure Leino would win 900 to 1, with the 1 vote for Nodl coming from you.
It's not Leino vs. Nodl. It's Leino vs. Zherdev. Nodl isn't going anywhere, and neither should Leino.

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11-24-2010, 11:04 PM
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It's not Leino vs. Nodl. It's Leino vs. Zherdev. Nodl isn't going anywhere, and neither should Leino.
Ah, my fault, I hastily read it and for some reason read Nodl and not Zherdev.

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would tampa give us anything decent for him?

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11-24-2010, 11:31 PM
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It's not Leino vs. Nodl. It's Leino vs. Zherdev. Nodl isn't going anywhere, and neither should Leino.
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Ah, my fault, I hastily read it and for some reason read Nodl and not Zherdev.
I also read it as Nodl should be a lock for the team next season, and the other spot should be between Zherdev vs Leino.

Im starting to really like Nodl, but the offense Leino brings is on another level then Nodl's. IF I had to choose between the two, Leino would win, for me, hands down.

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11-24-2010, 11:31 PM
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I thought Zherdev looked great with Carter and Giroux tonight, and Nodl played a great game, as did JVR.

Nodl's goal was a great play - the kid finally has his confidence and all his offensive talent is starting to come out. Well done Lavy.

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11-25-2010, 05:46 AM
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Z looked good yesterday.

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11-25-2010, 12:16 PM
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I think Zherdev has looked much better than people will give him credit for

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