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11-23-2010, 09:52 AM
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How to beat a trapping team, in roller hockey?

After game 1 of my leagues championship round last night...we're stumped as to how to beat this team. They're 1st place, went undefeated, and we finished in 2nd at 8-2...while scoring ~30 more goals than them, and giving up less than 10 more. They play very solid defensive hockey, get maybe 3-4 good chances per game, and then get lucky **** goals.

For example, last night they dumped a puck in from over the center line and it bounced no less than 3 times, off a defensemans skate, past anothers stick, and hit one of their forwards shin guard before going 5 hole on our goalie.

We're purely a run-n-gun team, but still manage to keep their chances low because they flat out don't have much scoring. Our top 2 scorers had more goals alone than anyone on their team had points. Yet we still lost 5-4.

Their goalie is very good at straight on shots, and they normally pick off passes in front of the net. What kind of strategy do we try to use to put some more pucks in the net on a team like that?

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Shoot from everywhere, from the sounds of it you have a faster possibly more talented team, you should be able to shoot the puck and retrieve it and shoot it again. Pepper their goalie with point shots, weird angle shots and if that fails shoot at his pads, crash the net and look for rebounds. Basically if you do this and lose it will be because your shots weren't on target or their goalie is really good.

The one thing you have to be careful of though is your defense men getting a little too offensive. You want them involved but you need to make sure that the other team does not get goals from the counter-attack. Trap teams are often really good on the rush and can take 3 or 4 good chances and produce 2 goals.

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they are going to benefit from your turnovers. dump and chase, all night

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Here is the best strat for playing a trapping team IMO:


1. Bring everyone back deep into your own end
2. Exit your zone with the entire unit moving together
3. Must be done with SPEED
4. Look for lead passes to players moving fast to open lanes
5. Pass must always be on or ahead of the skater. NEVER behind.
6. If checking is too tight be happy to tip the pass deep into the offensive zone. You already have lots moving with speed so you should win a lot of these races to the puck.

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11-23-2010, 10:23 AM
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Here is the best strat for playing a trapping team IMO:


1. Bring everyone back deep into your own end
2. Exit your zone with the entire unit moving together
3. Must be done with SPEED
4. Look for lead passes to players moving fast to open lanes
5. Pass must always be on or ahead of the skater. NEVER behind.
6. If checking is too tight be happy to tip the pass deep into the offensive zone. You already have lots moving with speed so you should win a lot of these races to the puck.
Very good point.

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11-23-2010, 10:27 AM
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They beat you 5-4, so either they do have scoring or you don't have team defense/goaltending. Be honest with every assessment if you want to find an appropriate solution.

Run and gun might work against the weaker teams, but if it's not working against them, be honest with yourselves whether you're willing to do things a little differently. Three suggestions:

1) Slow down the pace. Play puck possession (if you can), and don't try to beat them outright with speed... do it with puck movement. For all the speed of the game, hockey requires patience. You need possession, then need to move it down the rink, then need to coordinate for a decent shot on net. If you fail, they get the puck and you have to go get it back and then do it all over again. Be willing to wait until the last five minutes of the game to win it 1-0 if you have to. So relax, and move the puck as much side to side as up and down. Make them chase and tire. You can't win until the 3rd anyway, so use 2-1/2 periods to exhaust them.

2) If their goalie's that good, get traffic in front of him and score ugly. Also put your dump ins on the net, not in the corners. Make the goalie play the puck. Let him deal with the bounces. Force him to play it to his defensemen. You're making his concentration shift gears, from positioning and stopping the puck to doing other things he doesn't do as often. Do the opposite of trashing talking... sweet talk him. Compliment him. Tell him he's awesome... nice save buddy... wish we had you on our team... on and on. Trash talking doesn't work, it'll just focus his concentration. Sweet talking strokes his ego... gets him smiling inside.... interrupts the task at hand which is about concentration. Also the sweet talking will get their defense all riled up.

3) Have the defense pinch 100% of the time. Whenever they're breaking out of their zone, whichever of your defenseman is closest, have him pinch inside the blueline every time. EVERYTIME. The other D drops back outside the blueline and middle of the rink. At least one of your forwards has to come back and hunt down the puck carrier. The forwards have to be agreeable to this and act in unison with the defense... it'll be easier because they already know what the defense are going to do. They know they're going to pinch, so closet forward to the blueline starts back checking immediately. The forward's job (even if they don't catch him) is to force the puck carrier's decision. The lone defender simply has to direct the attack to the left side or right side. There will never be a breakaway where the opponent has time to deke or shoot... he'll only have time to shoot, forced off to one side. Unless it's a 2-on-1, your goalie knows there's no deke, and can play further out. That all said, you'll be surprised how often that pinching defenseman is successful, and keeps the play in their end.

Good luck, cream those punks from Syracuse.

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Shoot from everywhere, from the sounds of it you have a faster possibly more talented team, you should be able to shoot the puck and retrieve it and shoot it again. Pepper their goalie with point shots, weird angle shots and if that fails shoot at his pads, crash the net and look for rebounds. Basically if you do this and lose it will be because your shots weren't on target or their goalie is really good.

The one thing you have to be careful of though is your defense men getting a little too offensive. You want them involved but you need to make sure that the other team does not get goals from the counter-attack. Trap teams are often really good on the rush and can take 3 or 4 good chances and produce 2 goals.
We're about even in speed, it's not a top division so both teams have their share of faster/slower guys. We just have guys with better offensive instincts/finishing abilities. I'd be all for going to the net and getting rebounds from point shots...if 2 of our dmen weren't in love with lowering their head and blasting away..head hunters all night.

And yea one thing we've been sure to point out is to not get caught pinching, and make sure to pick up the 3rd guy in on D..as occasionally during the season the forwards have gotten lazy and allowed 3on2s.

Going deep into the D zone and breaking out as a unit may work, we tend to get 15-20 foot passes to our fowards who get caught standing still when receiving the pass.

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They beat you 5-4, so either they do have scoring or you don't have team defense/goaltending. Be honest with every assessment if you want to find an appropriate solution.

Run and gun might work against the weaker teams, but if it's not working against them, be honest with yourselves whether you're willing to do things a little differently
Well keep in mind this is roller hockey, it's a high scoring game. Taking out the 2 games where we destroyed the bottom feeders, on average we won games 7.75 to 4.75. So this game was about average for our goals against...we just can't really score much on them. They have some guys who are good with the puck, we're just better by a fair margin at scoring...and out of a 10 team league they finished 5th in goals while going undefeated...their game is 80-90% defense and goalie.

Thanks for the detailed advice though...not sure about the sweet talking the goalie thing haha, never heard that one befor. But maybe it'd be worth while to have our best/fastest forwards switch to D and pinch more often to put pressure on. That's a pretty common strategy in roller.

And our defense isn't THAT good, we play run-n-gun and have a good goalie...but have made sure to not get caught pinching often since it's hard to make up for goals against vs this team.


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Well keep in mind this is roller hockey, it's a high scoring game. Taking out the 2 games where we destroyed the bottom feeders, on average we won games 7.75 to 4.75. So this game was about average for our goals against...we just can't really score much on them. They have some guys who are good with the puck, we're just better by a fair margin at scoring...and out of a 10 team league they finished 5th in goals while going undefeated...their game is 80-90% defense and goalie.

Thanks for the detailed advice though...not sure about the sweet talking the goalie thing haha, never heard that one befor. But maybe it'd be worth while to have our best/fastest forwards switch to D and pinch more often to put pressure on. That's a pretty common strategy in roller.

And our defense isn't THAT good, we play run-n-gun and have a good goalie...but have made sure to not get caught pinching often since it's hard to make up for goals against vs this team.

From my experience (I play college roller against various types of teams, trapping/run and gun, etc.) and what I have found is that unless you have a team full of speed demons run and gun does not work. To beat a trapping team, if your team speed isn't enough to blow past them, your gonna have to slow things down and work your breakout. A good solid breakout with a few crisp passes will open up the rink. The key is to exit your zone with a lot of support from your defense.

Again, run and gun simply doesn't really work in roller hockey unless you're all fast or can snipe from anywhere. Try slowing things down and work the perfect breakout.

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are the rules 4 on 4, no offsides and icing? Don't know how any team can trap when it's so open.

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But maybe it'd be worth while to have our best/fastest forwards switch to D and pinch more often to put pressure on. That's a pretty common strategy in roller.
You mean you haven't been already doing that? Not doing so is a recipe for disaster as I have learnt.


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Sounds like you have a fever, and the only prescription is more screening of the goalie!

Traffic in front, shots in low, crash in for rebounds and garbage goals. Sounds like you're not going to be scoring many highlight reel goals against this team

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Here is the best strat for playing a trapping team IMO:


1. Bring everyone back deep into your own end
2. Exit your zone with the entire unit moving together
3. Must be done with SPEED
4. Look for lead passes to players moving fast to open lanes
5. Pass must always be on or ahead of the skater. NEVER behind.
6. If checking is too tight be happy to tip the pass deep into the offensive zone. You already have lots moving with speed so you should win a lot of these races to the puck.
I begin incorporating this in 4 year olds hockey classes on the 2nd day. I demonstrate the ugliest possible play- a pass behind your teammate. Then follow up with a demo of one on the tape- that sends him in alone.

They really seem to catch on after that!

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A lot of people have offered good suggestions.

Better breakouts, dump & chase......really anything that will pull their defenders out of position so that you can isolate them and open up skating/passing lanes.

Once in the offensive zone, you have two options: more puck control or pepper the net with shots.

You could set up with a high triangle or a high box (say tops of the faceoff circles and another player or two back even behind the center line). This will force their defenders to spread out more and will open up lanes for players to streak to the net. You'll have to be patient and wait for your opportunities, and you will need to make good clean passes, but lanes will open up.

Alternatively, you could decide just to pepper the net with shots. Maybe make it a point to park one guy in front to screen the goalie and make it your target to put 50+ shots on and crash the net every time. Eventually a few of them will go in unseen and there will be rebounds.

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