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11-25-2010, 10:45 PM
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This really isn't much of a surprise.

The Habs PP has recently turned it around (and has kept going well even with Markov's most recent injury).

That negates any and all reason for why we would bring in MAB.

MAB is the sort of player you get if, and only if, your PP absolutely sucks and you're willing to play 7 D with MAB as a 4th line forward purely to keep his legs warm inbetween PP outings.


I'm really relieved that our PP is doing pretty good now, because it negates the need to get MAB. MAB's an excellent PP specialist, but he has so many negatives to go with it...

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11-25-2010, 11:51 PM
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Weber might be the new MAB minus the defensive liability thing.

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11-26-2010, 12:13 AM
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I just don't understand why people think adding Bergeron would solve all problems on the power play, when you think about it, his defensive letdowns which lead to goals probably evens out his power play production

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11-26-2010, 12:24 AM
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for his 1 ppg every 5 games, he would cost us a goal a game purely based on his complete lack of ability to play defense.

worth it?

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11-26-2010, 12:54 AM
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thank you PG, thank you.

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11-26-2010, 01:20 AM
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You guys are pathetic with the hate toward him... he seems like a great teammate, never complained about anything and actually helped his team last year...

I feel a win is a much much better news, but I might not get it.

With that said, there isn't much surprise here, there's no place for him on the roster and he's not the kind a player who can replace Markov. I wouldn't want him signed.
Agreed.

MAB was a solid team player who loved to play here and who scored some very big goals.

Still... it is a ruthless business...

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11-26-2010, 04:43 AM
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My my my, how quickly people forget ! He wasn`t the best defensive player NO,but man o man the guy scored some sweet goals for us last year,especially in the playoffs. I would sign him in a heart beat. His D can`t be any worse than Spacek now come on.
Bush leagues posts like this should be edited... You can't be serious? Either you watched maybe 5 games this season, or you just base your knowledge on what other people used to post...


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11-26-2010, 06:58 AM
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Really, so 34 points from a blueliner is pathetic now? What do his stats say about our other dmen? He was the second highest point producer on the backend. I didn't like his faults, but c'mon... you are calling his production terrible?

Get real. Like you didn't blurt out things about the other players on this team?
34 points for and 1334 against ! /thread

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11-26-2010, 07:05 AM
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too bad
he is just what this teams needs







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11-26-2010, 08:08 AM
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I'd rather have Bergeron playing 4th line forward for us than Weber.

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11-26-2010, 08:28 AM
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I'd love to see him sign with a bottom-ranked team (standings and PP) like EDM, FLA and NJD and see what happens...

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11-26-2010, 08:30 AM
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I'd rather have Bergeron playing 4th line forward for us than Weber.
I'd rather have NEITHER playing 4th line for us. If you play a d-man there you weaken your 4th line so Halpern or Eller is playing with a non-NHL calibre winger. One of our improvements from last year is an upgraded bottom 6, providing a lot more forecheck and offense.

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11-26-2010, 08:42 AM
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great news, who needs him,

habs need stronger toughness on the wing, to boost the beef against a team like philly

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11-26-2010, 08:43 AM
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What did Villeneuve say about MAB today? Someone told me that he apparently hinted on CKAC that his teammates didn't like him too much last season. Is that what he said?
He said : "The fans and the medias liked Marc-André Bergeron more than his teammates, coaches and GM did."

Villeneuve said that a few times yesterday but I'm not really sure what he meant. With a complete lack of coherent explanations, I passed it off as another shot at Gauthier because he doesn't listen to CKAC and ask their advices.

Yesterday was quite embarrassing, really. If you had listened to them talk without knowing who they were talking about, you would think the Habs just passed on a Norris trophy contender.

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11-26-2010, 08:50 AM
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it's only normal and natural to get pissed off after you see the same guy mess up time after time. You know how some players make the other 4 look good ? Well he made the other 4 look bad. Even if your the best team player, constantly being dragged down by one individual takes a toll after a while

His +- was a disaster and it's not surprising that the arrival of P.K. coupled with less playing time for MAB should be considered a major turning point in last year's playoffs.

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11-26-2010, 09:26 AM
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This really isn't much of a surprise.

The Habs PP has recently turned it around (and has kept going well even with Markov's most recent injury).

That negates any and all reason for why we would bring in MAB.

MAB is the sort of player you get if, and only if, your PP absolutely sucks and you're willing to play 7 D with MAB as a 4th line forward purely to keep his legs warm inbetween PP outings.


I'm really relieved that our PP is doing pretty good now, because it negates the need to get MAB. MAB's an excellent PP specialist, but he has so many negatives to go with it...
Exactly. It made sense last year, when the Habs were winning because of the PP and were fighting for a playoff spot. These two conditions aren't met this year.

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11-26-2010, 10:17 AM
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34 points for and 1334 against ! /thread
The guy is a career -4, do you just make this stuff up as you go? I mean, we don't need him, or the team feels he is too big a defensive risk, so I get it... but his stats are nowhere near as horrible as people are making them out to be.

He played on a lot of bad teams, and still comes out a career -4 ... whats the problem? I bashed the guy for his timely blunders too, but when all is said and done, he really wasn't that bad and could be a good fit for some team.

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11-26-2010, 10:21 AM
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This news is defintely not a big suprise nor would MAB be a good fit for us right now, but the overwhelming hate for this guy is so undeserved.

The guy put up 34 points in 60 games last year, 5th on the team in scoring.

Contrary to what others have said he can make a first pass out the zone, as opposed to wrapping it around the boards to the uncovered opponent on the point.

And for those saying he was responsible for so many goals against as opposed to the ones he contributed, he was a -6 compared to Hal Gill's -10 (Laps -14, Mara -16).

Funny no one has speculated that the reason he called MAB with the bad news is that PG has another D-man in mind.

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11-26-2010, 10:22 AM
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The guy is a career -4, do you just make this stuff up as you go? I mean, we don't need him, or the team feels he is too big a defensive risk, so I get it... but his stats are nowhere near as horrible as people are making them out to be.

He played on a lot of bad teams, and still comes out a career -4 ... whats the problem? I bashed the guy for his timely blunders too, but when all is said and done, he really wasn't that bad and could be a good fit for some team.
Haters are gonna hate and your not going to convince them otherwise.

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11-26-2010, 10:44 AM
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If there's one stats in the NHL that I don't trust it's the +/-.

For one thing, during all his career MAB was protected by his coach who couldn't trust him to play against the other team's top lines (unlike Gill or Spacek).

I don't need to look at his stats to know he's bad defensively, I just need to look at him play.

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11-26-2010, 10:47 AM
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If there's one stats in the NHL that I don't trust it's the +/-.

For one thing, during all his career MAB was protected by his coach who couldn't trust him to play against the other team's top lines (unlike Gill or Spacek).

I don't need to look at his stats to know he's bad defensively, I just need to look at him play.
Plus the fact that we had great goaltending last year helped his +-. Halak saved his bacon a ton of times in the playoffs and he still had a horrible +-.

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11-26-2010, 10:47 AM
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Thank god. Bergy is beyond pathetic as a hockey player.

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11-26-2010, 01:06 PM
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If there's one stats in the NHL that I don't trust it's the +/-.

For one thing, during all his career MAB was protected by his coach who couldn't trust him to play against the other team's top lines (unlike Gill or Spacek).

I don't need to look at his stats to know he's bad defensively, I just need to look at him play.
I think MAB looked way worse than he was. He made horrible turnovers but not many of them resulted in goals. On the other hand his turnovers led to the team being burnt out playing defence and to lack of scoring chances for the habs because they were stuck in their own end.

Bergeron played with heart last year, he took the body more than I expected and he played hurt for a long time (good on him, bad on the coaching staff leaving him out there hurt, unable to produce). Much like Dandenault and Bouillon, he is a good guy with heart who makes an acceptable 6-7th defenceman. Definitely not someone you want playing significant non-PP minutes.

Hmm, so I guess my conclusion was that he looked worse than he was on the ice, but he had a worse impact than his stats showed. A game-changer on the PP, though, he forced other teams to change their systems to block his shot.

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11-26-2010, 01:10 PM
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Plus the fact that we had great goaltending last year helped his +-. Halak saved his bacon a ton of times in the playoffs and he still had a horrible +-.
Explain all the other people who were a minus last year then?

lol, Subban and O'byrne were the only 2 dmen not in the minus side of things, so they must be the best right?

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11-26-2010, 01:12 PM
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Plus the fact that we had great goaltending last year helped his +-. Halak saved his bacon a ton of times in the playoffs and he still had a horrible +-.
Understand a stat before you use it. +/- doesn't count Power play points, where MAB gets most of his points, he's a PP specialist, so his +/- is always going to be low. Souray was the same way.

I know both are bad defensively compared to Markov and other defensive dmen but when you compare them to.

Roman Hamrlik who is a much better defensive dman has a -58 +/- stat over his career. Are you suggesting that MAB is a much better dman because of that?

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