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11-26-2010, 01:37 PM
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I'd rather have Bergeron playing 4th line forward for us than Weber.
I wouldn't want either. I'm completely against using a Dman as a forward unless he can actually well there.
MAB on the 4th line only helped us during the PPs. At even strength, that 4th line was awful. Right now, we have the luxury of rolling 4 good lines.
Plek line is great. Gomez line, although struggling, do create things offensively. Eller has great potential and whenever he is in the offensive zone, does create some nice plays. With Pouliot there, they will have more success. Halpern has been a big player for us and his line has stepped up.

I don't want to have a Dman used on a 4th line that will completely screw that up.
The only way I'd be for a 7th Dman is if we use him on Defense with Picard, double shift players like Pouliot (he can play much more than 11-12min/Game), and then use that 7th D on the PP.
Otherwise, I want no part of it.

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11-26-2010, 01:43 PM
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I think MAB looked way worse than he was. He made horrible turnovers but not many of them resulted in goals. On the other hand his turnovers led to the team being burnt out playing defence and to lack of scoring chances for the habs because they were stuck in their own end.

Bergeron played with heart last year, he took the body more than I expected and he played hurt for a long time (good on him, bad on the coaching staff leaving him out there hurt, unable to produce). Much like Dandenault and Bouillon, he is a good guy with heart who makes an acceptable 6-7th defenceman. Definitely not someone you want playing significant non-PP minutes.

Hmm, so I guess my conclusion was that he looked worse than he was on the ice, but he had a worse impact than his stats showed. A game-changer on the PP, though, he forced other teams to change their systems to block his shot.
How can you put MAB and Bouillon in the same boat? Bouillon can hold his own as a #4-5 d-man on most NHL teams. MAB can contribute on the PP and is a liability 5 on 5 on defense. MAB is terrible defensively while Bouillon is at least average.

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11-26-2010, 01:49 PM
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Understand a stat before you use it. +/- doesn't count Power play points, where MAB gets most of his points, he's a PP specialist, so his +/- is always going to be low. Souray was the same way.

I know both are bad defensively compared to Markov and other defensive dmen but when you compare them to.

Roman Hamrlik who is a much better defensive dman has a -58 +/- stat over his career. Are you suggesting that MAB is a much better dman because of that?
I understand the +- stat completely, but what you are saying doesn't make him suck less. He played less 5 on 5 than our other d-men + he had better match ups(3rd and 4th lines) and his +- was still by far the worst. How does that tell you anything other than he was horrible 5 on 5???

Souray had a terrible +- and was subpar defensively, but part of taht was because he played against top lines and more minutes 5 on 5.

Hamrlik has been a plus player the last 5-6 years. Early on his +- was bad because he was a top guy on some bad teams like the TB and NYI years. You have to put it in the context of the team.

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I wouldn't want either.
Me neither. (Or me too?!) But it still doesn't change that I'd rather have Bergeron doing that than Weber.

Streit was one guy who seemed to do it well. As I thought did Dandenault. Some guys it works, some it doesn't. I wouldn't automatically say I'm for or against the scheme in general. What boggles my mind is that we never even really tried it with Bergeron last year, and that he played ahead of some other D on our roster at times. If you did have a guy who could do it well, then having the option to swing him back to D if you had injury or ejection to one of your regular D would be a nice option to have.

I definitely don't like the idea in general of doing it to a young, still developing player like Weber, however.

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Me neither. (Or me too?!) But it still doesn't change that I'd rather have Bergeron doing that than Weber.

Streit was one guy who seemed to do it well. As I thought did Dandenault. Some guys it works, some it doesn't. I wouldn't automatically say I'm for or against the scheme in general. What boggles my mind is that we never even really tried it with Bergeron last year, and that he played ahead of some other D on our roster at times. If you did have a guy who could do it well, then having the option to swing him back to D if you had injury or ejection to one of your regular D would be a nice option to have.

I definitely don't like the idea in general of doing it to a young, still developing player like Weber, however.
Streit was a much more well rounded player than MAB, much better skater and vision. MAB's only skill that's average or above is his shot. As a puck mover he was below average, Streit is a much better PP QB but with Markov here he was used more as a shooter.

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