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11-19-2010, 11:58 AM
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Sweden's future

Sweden has had possibly the best generations ever, come through the junior levels the last few years. Imagine the team we can ice during future olympics.

Just look at the defence..

Ekman-Larsson -- Hedman

Karlsson -- A.Larsson

Urbom -- Rundblad

Three potential Norris contenders, that's not bad.

What kind of a team could we have in the Olympics 8 years from now, given the players we assume will be there out of the ones we know about today?

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We will have a good team with many dominant players in the NHL. In eigh years we will also have Omark, still ripping up AHL, "waiting for his chance" in NHL.

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How about a first line that looks like...
2018


Eriksson-Backstrom-Paajarvi

Tedenby-Krúger-Landeskog

Berglund-Backlund-M.Johansson

Klingberg-Lander-Josefsson


Ekman-Larsson -- Hedman

Karlsson -- A.Larsson

Edler -- Hjalmarsson


Markstrom
Lehner

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How about a first line that looks like...
2018


Eriksson-Backstrom-Paajarvi

Tedenby-Krúger-Landeskog

Berglund-Backlund-M.Johansson

Klingberg-Lander-Josefsson


Ekman-Larsson -- Hedman

Karlsson -- A.Larsson

Edler -- Hjalmarsson


Markstrom
Lehner
Good players indeed, but i hope the future success of Sweden is in the hands of Tedenby and Krüger. Good players, Tedenby got some grit but is nothing special and i don't get the hype about Krüger. Did some good games last season, that's it.

We will definitly have some good, creative defenders.

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Good players indeed, but i hope the future success of Sweden is in the hands of Tedenby and Krüger. Good players, Tedenby got some grit but is nothing special and i don't get the hype about Krüger. Did some good games last season, that's it.

We will definitly have some good, creative defenders.
What?

It is impossible to predict really. Players like Collberg and Rydberg-Crus might be superstars, or they might be SEL grinders.
Silfverberg and Ekholm will probably be there though! I predict big things for these kids.

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Our defence (+goalies) will be amazing, forwards a little more mediocer...if you can use that expression in a best vs best situation. We will have a really fast team in any case.

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One can hope this is just the start, these are the first players coming out of the new development system really. Mainly I look forward to see more goalies in the NHL. Hopefully in two-three years we have Lundqvist, Gustavsson, Lindback, Lehner and Markstrom as starters and a couple of more backups aswell.

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Sweden has had possibly the best generations ever, come through the junior levels the last few years. Imagine the team we can ice during future olympics.

Just look at the defence..

Ekman-Larsson -- Hedman

Karlsson -- A.Larsson

Urbom -- Rundblad

Three potential Norris contenders, that's not bad.

What kind of a team could we have in the Olympics 8 years from now, given the players we assume will be there out of the ones we know about today?
Love this, Sens have two out of six D-men in their system.

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We will have a good team with many dominant players in the NHL. In eigh years we will also have Omark, still ripping up AHL, "waiting for his chance" in NHL.
I don't really see Omark ever being "dominant" in the NHL.

The D has me stoked, though.

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I am not to worried about defence, Sweden is really good at developing d-men right now. It also looks like Sweden is shaping up and becoming pretty good at developing goalies too. If Team Sweden is going to be one of the top-teams 2014 however we need good developement from the forwards born between 1987-1992, since there is almost no forward talents that is born between 1981-1986. (Loui Eiksson, and to a much lesser degree Alex Steen is the exceptions). We need to have some young great forwards to have a chance against superpowers like Canada, Russia and USA.


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I am not to worried about defence, Sweden is really good at developing d-men right now. It also looks like Sweden is shaping up and becoming pretty good at developing goalies too. If Team Sweden is going to be one of the top-teams 2014 however we need good developement from the forwards born between 1987-1992, since there is almost no forward talents that is born between 1981-1986. (Loui Eiksson, and to a much lesser degree Alex Steen is the exceptions). We need to have some young great forwards to have a chance against superpowers like Canada, Russia and USA.
Russia and USA are superpowers now? Since when may I ask you?

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Since the american developement system started pumping out great talents like there is no tomorrow. 41 first rounders in the last 5 years compared to 14 for Sweden. USA will have a great squad for 2014. Russia got really exciting forwards compared to Sweden, but they dont got an abundance of great defensemen.

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Since the american developement system started pumping out great talents like there is no tomorrow. 41 first rounders in the last 5 years compared to 14 for Sweden. USA will have a great squad for 2014. Russia got really exciting forwards compared to Sweden, but they dont got an abundance of great defensemen.
Look at the track record. Americans had a great run at last Olympics but that's it. Thay suck at WC all the time and they were eliminated in 1/4 in 2006 OG.
"Great talents"? USA is a huge country and they have like 8-9 times more players than Sweden. So 41-14 is impressive for Sweden. Also not all 1st rounders amount to great players in future. Jack Skille, Brian Lee, Matt Lashoff, Joe Finley, Treovr Lewis, Mark Mitera, David Fischer, Chris Summers etc. I doubt we will see this guys in Sochi.)))

Russia? They have been closer to superpower than USA for sure, but if you consider them a superpower, then Sweden and Czech. Rep are superpowers too.
Now, about forwards. Russia has Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Semin, Datsyuk. Great players, but not so complete aside from Dats who will be 35 in 2014. After them their depth is weaker than swedish.
And I will not even talk about defense. A superpower must be able to produce something better. Aside from Kulikov their youngest NHL defensemen are Tyutin and Volchenkov who are 27-28.
There's though a big factor in 2014. "Home ground". Also there will be a lot of pressure on them because it's the Golden chance to win for Russia. Playing home with big names still in their 20s. In 2018 Russia will have weakest team on recent memory and will only hope to improve till 2022.

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I am not to worried about defence, Sweden is really good at developing d-men right now. It also looks like Sweden is shaping up and becoming pretty good at developing goalies too. If Team Sweden is going to be one of the top-teams 2014 however we need good developement from the forwards born between 1987-1992, since there is almost no forward talents that is born between 1981-1986. (Loui Eiksson, and to a much lesser degree Alex Steen is the exceptions). We need to have some young great forwards to have a chance against superpowers like Canada, Russia and USA.

For Sochi, that's irrelevant. Twins will be what, 34? Z and Franzén too. Bäckström will be - 26?

For 2018 the new "golden generation" will hopefully be in full bloom.

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Look at the track record. Americans had a great run at last Olympics but that's it. Thay suck at WC all the time and they were eliminated in 1/4 in 2006 OG.
"Great talents"? USA is a huge country and they have like 8-9 times more players than Sweden. So 41-14 is impressive for Sweden. Also not all 1st rounders amount to great players in future. Jack Skille, Brian Lee, Matt Lashoff, Joe Finley, Treovr Lewis, Mark Mitera, David Fischer, Chris Summers etc. I doubt we will see this guys in Sochi.)))

Russia? They have been closer to superpower than USA for sure, but if you consider them a superpower, then Sweden and Czech. Rep are superpowers too.
Now, about forwards. Russia has Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Semin, Datsyuk. Great players, but not so complete aside from Dats who will be 35 in 2014. After them their depth is weaker than swedish.
And I will not even talk about defense. A superpower must be able to produce something better. Aside from Kulikov their youngest NHL defensemen are Tyutin and Volchenkov who are 27-28.
There's though a big factor in 2014. "Home ground". Also there will be a lot of pressure on them because it's the Golden chance to win for Russia. Playing home with big names still in their 20s. In 2018 Russia will have weakest team on recent memory and will only hope to improve till 2022.
Garl,

Cheerupmurray is right on. The U.S. has, as of today, by far the best youth development program in the world, and it shows. They keep bringing home silver and gold in most all U-tournaments, women's hockey of all levels, and recently in the men's olympics. The only issue there is that they are still not that far into the "new" program, and they still are cycling out "old-school" coaches around the nation, which takes a while given how big the country is.

The fact that the U.S. don't deliver in the WCH is simply because they don't care about the tourney. They do care about the olympics, somewhat, but all the top and mid-range talent have better things to do come spring, if they are not in the play-offs, than to head off to Europe for some tourney nobody ever cared about. The WCH is nothing but a Euro vacation with an opportunity to play some pick-up hockey to many of these guys. A great way to see the world, but not much more. Whereas that may sound strange to us in Europe, where we really think of the WCH as imortnant, NA's really do look at it being more beneficial to them to go off for a few weeks long skating camp and work on fundamentals than going across the pond and risk getting injured by some "Euro yahoo's" skating out of control (not necessarily Swedes, Fins, Czechs or Russians, but players from "lesser" nations, who are there to live their 15 minutes of fame to the fullest).

Arrogant? May sound like it, but they have had plenty of game practice during the season, and the spring/summer is their valuable time to heal, rest, and/or work on their glitches, which they don't have time to work on during the season. For them, it's all about getting ready for the next season. It's their job. The WCH is really not on the map of priorities for them, which is why you see them ice guys who either don't care anymore, or talent so young that it's the first opportunity they have had to play at a decent senior level. Hence the results.

But, anyway, back to the point. The U.S. development model is truly impressive, and whereas you saw players in the past primarly come out of the North East and Alaska, we are now seeing top talent come out of California, Texas, Nevada, Ohio, Arizona... places you'd never guess had an icerink to begin with.

The model is working. Hockey is growing, and just give it a few more years, when these generations are in their late teens/early twenties, and you will see the U.S. be a force even in that one tournament they don't care about, the WCH.

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