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11-29-2010, 08:32 AM
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I've watched 2 or 3 this year on ADTHE. They were not worth watching.

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Not sure of the Backlund injury situation. But does it matter if this team cant figure out how to score goals?
Certainly a valid point, but knowing going in that your goalies have a combined GAA of over 3 isn't a good starting point either. It's one of those chicken and egg things. You have goalies/defense who sees that their offensive unit that can't put the puck in the net and an offense who sees a their defense/goalies that can't stop the puck.

Will this team win 20 games this year?

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I've watched 2 or 3 this year on ADTHE. They were not worth watching.
ya, and I'm pretty sure the feed is the same one that people pay for

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11-29-2010, 12:28 PM
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Ranford didnt get an invite. Gallagher did even though he is playing next to Cunningham (3rd in points in WHL), and is 6th in points.

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Ranford didnt get an invite. Gallagher did even though he is playing next to Cunningham (3rd in points in WHL), and is 6th in points.
That's ridiculous that the 2nd leading scorer in the WHL didn't get an invite.

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11-29-2010, 03:13 PM
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That's ridiculous that the 2nd leading scorer in the WHL didn't get an invite.
He's the 2nd highest goal scorer in the whole entire CHL... I guess even that doesnt get him in.

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That's ridiculous that the 2nd leading scorer in the WHL didn't get an invite.
Toffoli from Ottawa and McKegg from Erie didn't either, which is just as mind boggling.

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11-29-2010, 03:27 PM
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He's the 2nd highest goal scorer in the whole entire CHL... I guess even that doesnt get him in.
Was about to say this.

He'll have more chances, but that kind of sucks.

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11-29-2010, 04:24 PM
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Was about to say this.

He'll have more chances, but that kind of sucks.
There are always two teams worth of Canadian kids who could medal in the WJC, but we only get one entry. It is what it is.

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11-29-2010, 09:01 PM
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Scary realization today...imagine Giroux, JVR, Downie, and Leino were still prospects, and that we hadn't traded any 1sts and 2nds from 2005-2010. Our pool would look something like this (assuming we took the players our trade partners took):

01. Giroux
02. vanRiemsdyk
03. Carlson (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/john_carlson)
04. Pavalec (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ondrej_pavalec)
05. Bobrovsky
06. Sbisa
07. Palmieri (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_palmieri)
08. Etem (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/emerson_etem)
09. Eriksson
10. Leino
11. Downie
12. Shawn Matthias (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/shawn_matthias)
13. Brennan (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/t.j._brennan)
14. Panik (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/richard_panik)
15. Nodl
16. Wellwood
17. Gustafsson
18. Lehtivuori
19. Marshall
20. Bourdon

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11-29-2010, 09:29 PM
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Scary realization today...imagine Giroux, JVR, Downie, and Leino were still prospects, and that we hadn't traded any 1sts and 2nds from 2005-2010. Our pool would look something like this (assuming we took the players our trade partners took):

01. Giroux
02. vanRiemsdyk
03. Carlson (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/john_carlson)
04. Pavalec (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ondrej_pavalec)
05. Bobrovsky
06. Sbisa
07. Palmieri (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_palmieri)
08. Etem (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/emerson_etem)
09. Eriksson
10. Leino
11. Downie
12. Shawn Matthias (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/shawn_matthias)
13. Brennan (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/t.j._brennan)
14. Panik (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/richard_panik)
15. Nodl
16. Wellwood
17. Gustafsson
18. Lehtivuori
19. Marshall
20. Bourdon

I tried to find a drooling emoticon but I couldnt.

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11-29-2010, 10:38 PM
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Yeah, and our defense is

Timonen-Coburn
Meszaros-O'Donnell
Bartulis-xxx

But that is a mighty good prospect pool, if it did exist.

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11-29-2010, 10:49 PM
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Yeah, and our defense is

Timonen-Coburn
Meszaros-O'Donnell
Bartulis-xxx

But that is a mighty good prospect pool, if it did exist.
Well if you want to get technical, we could not trade Nashville their 1st back and try to sign Timonen and Hartnell on the open market:


01. Giroux
02. vanRiemsdyk
03. Carlson (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/john_carlson)
04. Pavalec (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ondrej_pavalec)

05. Bobrovsky
06. Blum (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/jon_blum)
07. Sbisa
08. Palmieri (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_palmieri)
09. Etem (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/emerson_etem)

10. Eriksson
11. Leino
12. Downie
13. Shawn Matthias (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/shawn_matthias)
14. Brennan (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/t.j._brennan)
15. Panik (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/richard_panik)

16. Nodl
17. Wellwood
18. Gustafsson
19. Lehtivuori
20. Marshall

vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Leino
Etem - Matthias - Downie
Wellwood - Palmieri - Panik
Nodl

Carlson - Blum
Sbisa - Brennan
Gustafsson - Lehtivuori
Marshall

Pavalec
Bobrovsky
Eriksson

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11-29-2010, 11:56 PM
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Scary realization today...imagine Giroux, JVR, Downie, and Leino were still prospects, and that we hadn't traded any 1sts and 2nds from 2005-2010. Our pool would look something like this (assuming we took the players our trade partners took):

01. Giroux
02. vanRiemsdyk
03. Carlson (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/john_carlson)
04. Pavalec (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ondrej_pavalec)
05. Bobrovsky
06. Sbisa
07. Palmieri (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_palmieri)
08. Etem (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/emerson_etem)
09. Eriksson
10. Leino
11. Downie
12. Shawn Matthias (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/shawn_matthias)
13. Brennan (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/t.j._brennan)
14. Panik (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/richard_panik)
15. Nodl
16. Wellwood
17. Gustafsson
18. Lehtivuori
19. Marshall
20. Bourdon
Chris, you are hallucinating. Push the keyboard away......

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11-30-2010, 01:29 AM
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There are always two teams worth of Canadian kids who could medal in the WJC, but we only get one entry. It is what it is.
True, however, after reading Hockey Canada's release about the way they went about choosing the team, it was nothing short of laughable.

For years, Gretzky said that the problem with Hockey Canada was that they took the skill game away and went with players who could fit a system. Hockey Canada then went with Gretzky's approach and built teams on skill, speed and chemistry.

Reading Hockey Canada's release today, they said that the team won't have the skill that other teams had, but it will be hard working and a gritty team. So, instead of going with players that actually have skill, they decided to go with a bunch of grinders and muckers.

Honestly, I'm not surprised though, especially with Kevin Pendergrast as the head scout of Hockey Canada. All what one needs to do is look at his record as head scout of the Oilers and one can see that Pendergrast doesn't know his arse hole from a hole in the ground. And the coach of the team this year has a 22-20-1 record, but because his team plays a "gritty, two-way, hard working game", the team that they picked fits his ideology.

Really, what ever happened to the ideology of icing the best players? The fact that McKegg, Ranford and countless others were left off while some scrubs got an opportunity is nothing short of a joke.

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11-30-2010, 01:54 AM
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We shouldn't put to much stock in the WJC. It's a nice experience for kids to be a part of, and it's a great chance to see your prospects against the best in the world, but a kid is not going to be a bust just because he didn't make the cut nor is he going to be a star because he did.

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We shouldn't put to much stock in the WJC. It's a nice experience for kids to be a part of, and it's a great chance to see your prospects against the best in the world, but a kid is not going to be a bust just because he didn't make the cut nor is he going to be a star because he did.
I know. But at the same point, there's nothing like being part of an experience of playing against the very best of your peers to see whether you can compete or not. At the very least, Ranford should have received an invite. I'm not saying he was a lock to make the team, but Hockey Canada certainly dropped the ball by leaving several of the top scorers off the invite list though.......

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Scary realization today...imagine Giroux, JVR, Downie, and Leino were still prospects, and that we hadn't traded any 1sts and 2nds from 2005-2010. Our pool would look something like this (assuming we took the players our trade partners took):

01. Giroux
02. vanRiemsdyk
03. Carlson (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/john_carlson)
04. Pavalec (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ondrej_pavalec)
05. Bobrovsky
06. Sbisa
07. Palmieri (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_palmieri)
08. Etem (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/emerson_etem)
09. Eriksson
10. Leino
11. Downie
12. Shawn Matthias (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/shawn_matthias)
13. Brennan (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/t.j._brennan)
14. Panik (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/richard_panik)
15. Nodl
16. Wellwood
17. Gustafsson
18. Lehtivuori
19. Marshall
20. Bourdon
Guys name is Pavelec. Nice list, though. We'd still have Downie which would get me an automatic boner every time he's on the ice.

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11-30-2010, 08:34 PM
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Guys name is Pavelec. Nice list, though. We'd still have Downie which would get me an automatic boner every time he's on the ice.
I thought so and had "Pavelec" originally, but then I looked at the text in the link to the HF page that says "ondrej_pavalec." I looked at it confused and decided to change it.

By the way, in theory our team would look like this:

vanRiemsdyk - Richards - Leino
Briere - Carter - Lupul
Upshall - Giroux - Downie
Powe - Betts - Shelley
Nodl

Meszaros - Carlson
Coburn - Sbisa
O'Donnell - Bartulis
Brennan

Pavelec
Bobrovsky

Bold denotes jersey boy!

Or still make that trade of 1st for Timonen and Hartnell, and we look like:

vanRiemsdyk - Richards - Lupul
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Upshall - Giroux - Carter
Powe - Betts - Downie
Shelley

Meszaros - Carlson
Timonen - Coburn
O'Donnell - Sbisa
Bartulis

Bobrovsky
Leighton


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Just a thought if things had worked out like that Chris you think they even go out and get Bobrovsky with Pavelec? I think we would have Pavelec and "insert veteran here". Pavelec really is playing really well for the Thrashers right now with a average at best defense in front of him.

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Just a thought if things had worked out like that Chris you think they even go out and get Bobrovsky with Pavelec? I think we would have Pavelec and "insert veteran here". Pavelec really is playing really well for the Thrashers right now with a average at best defense in front of him.
Probably not, but this is a lesson in cause and effect.

Who we draft, what our draft position would be, etc...everything is determined by the way it was. Change one little detail and the whole thing could implode.

So this is a nice thing to look at as far as "what could've been," but there's no realistic way to approach this kind of thing.

As for your question, I doubt Bobrovsky ever becomes a Flyer if Pavelec is in our system.

Bobrovsky may not be a better goalie (though he could eventually be), but the fact that he has such a great personality and is loved in Philly makes it hard to believe.

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the thing in that what could of been scenerio that still pisses me off is the Eminger for John Carlson trade. Every time I see his name thats all I think of. Now maybe we dont draft Carlson if we kept that pick. Still doesnt change the fact what a retarded trade that was.

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By the way, in theory our team would look like this:

vanRiemsdyk - Richards - Leino
Briere - Carter - Lupul
Upshall - Giroux - Downie
Powe - Betts - Shelley
Nodl

Meszaros - Carlson
Coburn - Sbisa
O'Donnell - Bartulis
Brennan

Pavelec
Bobrovsky

Bold denotes jersey boy!

Or still make that trade of 1st for Timonen and Hartnell, and we look like:

vanRiemsdyk - Richards - Lupul
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Upshall - Giroux - Carter
Powe - Betts - Downie
Shelley

Meszaros - Carlson
Timonen - Coburn
O'Donnell - Sbisa
Bartulis

Bobrovsky
Leighton
I'd still rather have Pronger, Carle and Carcillo than Lupul, Sbisa, Downie, Carlson and Upshall. In fact, I'd rather have just Pronger than the other 5.....

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I'd still rather have Pronger, Carle and Carcillo than Lupul, Sbisa, Downie, Carlson and Upshall. In fact, I'd rather have just Pronger than the other 5.....
give me Downie over Carcillo any day of the week.

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give me Downie over Carcillo any day of the week.
Same here.

And, I am not at all a huge Downie fan, like most here. But, talent wise, Downie has more.

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