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12-01-2010, 07:19 PM
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the WJC every year like they did in the lockout year with a roster of :

Patrice Bergeron,
Jeff Carter,
Jeremy Colliton,
Sidney Crosby,
Nigel Dawes,
Stephen Dixon,
Colin Fraser,
Ryan Getzlaf,
Andrew Ladd,
Clarke MacArthur,
Corey Perry,
Michael Richards,
Anthony Stewart

cant remember the lines but the team scored 32 goals in the round robin and gave up only 5 (with 3 in 1 game to slovkia)

Current Forwards who won't be there for this years WJC:

Skinner-Duchene-Kane
Schenn-Seguin-Hall

Or has the talent level evened out a bit to even the playing field if all countries were at full strength at the WJC
as "coach" sam l jackson would say,

"yes they would! Every time, Every last DAMNED time!"

But seriously, I just thought of this... imagine if the following guys were allowed to compete (As they're all eligible)

Duchene
Schenn
Kane
Hall
fowler?
Seguin
glennie
tavares? (think he finally aged out, right?)


THAT would be a hell of a team

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12-01-2010, 07:21 PM
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Well, thank goodness for the tourney there's some competitive balance. It's a tourney of big brothers and weak sisters as is.
Agreed, Canada losing players evens it out imop. Which makes for a more exciting event.

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12-01-2010, 07:23 PM
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Agreed, Canada losing players evens it out imop. Which makes for a more exciting event.
Agreed just like the under 18 where we're missing a few it makes it more exciting.

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12-01-2010, 07:25 PM
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as "coach" sam l jackson would say,

"yes they would! Every time, Every last DAMNED time!"

But seriously, I just thought of this... imagine if the following guys were allowed to compete (As they're all eligible)

Duchene
Schenn
Kane
Hall
fowler?
Seguin


THAT would be a hell of a team
Fowler, though born in Canada and a dual citizen plays for the US.

He'll be missed on the American team.

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12-01-2010, 07:26 PM
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Yes.

I don't want to sound like an ass but we are the best, and everybody knows it.

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12-01-2010, 07:26 PM
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Yes.

I don't want to sound like an ass but we are the best, and everybody knows it.
For now. and NO you're not an ass. On HFboards many get on our case for saying our best don't play....yet they'd say the same damn things if they were in the same position.

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12-01-2010, 07:42 PM
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For now. and NO you're not an ass. On HFboards many get on our case for saying our best don't play....yet they'd say the same damn things if they were in the same position.
We ARE in the same position. It is only natural that the top nations are missing their best players.

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12-01-2010, 07:55 PM
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We ARE in the same position. It is only natural that the top nations are missing their best players.
Except one nation regularly misses more of their best players than the others... which is why it isn't the same position.

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12-01-2010, 07:56 PM
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Canada would be very tough to beat if they brought all eligible players each year.

However, it's a one game elimination tournament - anything can happen.
Very tough? If they brought all eligible players they would be impossible to beat. It might be close to 05 or 06 level of domination. That sounds arrogant but it's true.

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12-01-2010, 08:04 PM
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We ARE in the same position. It is only natural that the top nations are missing their best players.
You're far from the same position.

Just look at the players that are eligible to play for Canada this year.

Like someone else said, our top line this year would be the third line if we had those guys.

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12-01-2010, 08:09 PM
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We ARE in the same position. It is only natural that the top nations are missing their best players.
and if anyone thinks we would have lost last year to the Americans had we had all our players....they're lying or delusional.

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12-01-2010, 08:44 PM
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Very tough? If they brought all eligible players they would be impossible to beat. It might be close to 05 or 06 level of domination. That sounds arrogant but it's true.
Like how you win the Olympics every time?

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Like how you win the Olympics every time?
There is a big difference. With the Olympics, every team gets to choose their best players, regardless of age. Thus the disparity of depth between countries is neutralized. Teams like Sweden, Finland and US, while not nearly having Canada's depth are able to rival us because their top end guys are good, and their role players, while not at Canada's level, are good enough to get by

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12-01-2010, 09:26 PM
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Like how you win the Olympics every time?
Hey we've won 2 of the last 3 so we're getting there.

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12-01-2010, 09:45 PM
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Like how you win the Olympics every time?
The Olympics are irrelevant in this discussion.

The world juniors is an 18/19 y/o tournament. Because Canada has by far more players at that age (US is gaining) it's only natural that our depth would be greater and consequently we'd have better top end players.

If there was an 12/13 y/o world tournament, Canada would dominate it too. Same as if there was a 14/15, 16/17 y/o tournaments.

The only country that comes close to kids playing is the US. Imagine if they had the same % of kids playing as Canada.......they'd dominate every year to a point where it would be ridiculous.

In baseball, the US would dominate at junior levels all the time if they were able to use their best players. Not because all their players would be better but they'd have far greater depth and more top end players.

In football (soccer) at the junior levels Canada can't compete. We just don't have the same number of kids playing seriously and the elite coaching.

It's a numbers game and with the growth of the game in the states, there will come a time when Americans will make up the majority of NHL players and the better players will be American.

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im all for seeing our canadian youth make leaps and bounds every year at the NHL/Pro level

but god damn it would have been nice to see Duchene and Seguin lace up for canada in this tournament.

Seguin still might do it tho *crosses fingers*

but all in all

2005 WJC Team Canada > all WJC teams

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12-01-2010, 10:05 PM
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im all for seeing our canadian youth make leaps and bounds every year at the NHL/Pro level

but god damn it would have been nice to see Duchene and Seguin lace up for canada in this tournament.

Seguin still might do it tho *crosses fingers*

but all in all

2005 WJC Team Canada > all WJC teams
No doubt this years team will be missing elite talent.

I think last years team would have been on par with the lock out year junior team if we had all our players.

Imagine just Stamkos on last years team.

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12-02-2010, 01:45 AM
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In my mind the 2005 WJC team was the best sports team ever assembled compared to their competition.


when i say that i mean that their talent level in relation to the teams they were playing was just staggering and yes i do mean all sports. I don't think i have seen such a dominating team play like i saw that team play.

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12-02-2010, 02:32 AM
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Here is what my team would look like if all eligible players were made avaible:

Taylor Hall - Matt Duchene - Jeff Skinner
Evander Kane - Brayden Schenn - Tyler Seguin
Kyle Clifford - Ryan O'Reilly - Zack Kassian
Linden Vey - Brandon Pirri - Ryan Johansen
Brett Connolly

Ryan Ellis - Calvin de Haan
Erik Gudbranson - Jared Cowen
Dylan Olsen - Simon Despres
Tyson Barrie

Calvin Pickard
Olivier Roy

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12-02-2010, 03:09 AM
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I think you can make the argument that Canada has dominated this tournament for at least the last 5 years with major loses each time. Canada has lost what, 3 games in the last 5 years, and has been in the gold medal game for something like 10 years in a row, or maybe 9, someone will confirm or deny this I know.

The fact of the matter is no nation can compete if Canada had its top talent every year.
9 times is correct and thats really great achievement


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Hey we've won 2 of the last 3 so we're getting there.
and failed 2 times out of 4

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12-02-2010, 03:12 AM
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Very tough? If they brought all eligible players they would be impossible to beat. It might be close to 05 or 06 level of domination. That sounds arrogant but it's true.
key word is impossible

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Here is what my team would look like if all eligible players were made avaible:

Taylor Hall - Matt Duchene - Jeff Skinner
Evander Kane - Brayden Schenn - Tyler Seguin
Kyle Clifford - Ryan O'Reilly - Zack Kassian
Linden Vey - Brandon Pirri - Ryan Johansen
Brett Connolly

Ryan Ellis - Calvin de Haan
Erik Gudbranson - Jared Cowen
Dylan Olsen - Simon Despres
Tyson Barrie

Calvin Pickard
Olivier Roy
I genuinely do not see how that team could lose a single game at the WJC. Duchene would be downright scary against junior level competition at this point.

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Canada definitely would be heavier favorites, but to compare the situation to that of the '05 team is unfair. The talent level coming out of the 2003 draft was ridiculous in itself, then add in Crosby.

That 2005 team was something special. You can put together any Canadian roster of any eligible WJC players over the past four years, and 99 times out of 100, the '05 team would roll over them.

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12-02-2010, 07:25 AM
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In my mind the 2005 WJC team was the best sports team ever assembled compared to their competition.


when i say that i mean that their talent level in relation to the teams they were playing was just staggering and yes i do mean all sports. I don't think i have seen such a dominating team play like i saw that team play.
The only comparable dominance that comes to my mind is the Dream Team

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