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12-02-2010, 09:15 AM
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I think Powe and Zherdev were still being switched up every other shift.
You want to change lines because Thomas stood on his head and we could not score PP goal?

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12-02-2010, 09:21 AM
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I think Powe and Zherdev were still being switched up every other shift.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things does not belong.

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12-02-2010, 09:24 AM
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He didn't do anything wrong, if you mean that drop pass at the game end.

However, Laviolette will probably punish him anyway. I believe he just needs an excuse to sit somebody. He just has too many good players at his disposal.



You don't make a pass like that with an empty net behind you. In all, it wasn't just Z making those passes. There were too many drop passes in general. His was magnified because of the empty net and the timing. Thomas had the shooters looking top shelf and they couldn't hit it. Credit the B's for their shot blocking and Thomas for his strong tending. We get over 40 shots a game and still miss a lot of easy shots and still pass up way too many good opportunities. The power play will work itself out but it's damn frustrating to watch right now.

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12-02-2010, 09:47 AM
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You don't make a pass like that with an empty net behind you.
So what do you do? Dump it in?

They just had spent about a minute passing along the boards without any hint on anything coming out of it. It looked like a 3 on 2, and he played it like that -- unfortunately the third defenseman happened to be too close.

Empty net -- a big deal. The team was down two-nothing, with 2 mins left. Nothing had been working for the entire game. It was time to take a risk.

For him personally it would have been safer to dump it in. But what he did was the right thing for the team in that particular situation.


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12-02-2010, 10:09 AM
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He didn't do anything wrong, if you mean that drop pass at the game end.

However, Laviolette will probably punish him anyway. I believe he just needs an excuse to sit somebody. He just has too many good players at his disposal.
That's exactly why, it was a really dumb play and immediately ended the game. He relies on being fancy way too often and it doesn't sit well with Lavi, nor should it.

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So what do you do? Dump it in?

They just had spent about a minute passing along the boards without any hint on anything coming out of it. It looked like a 3 on 2, and he played it like that -- unfortunately the third defenseman happened to be too close.

Empty net -- a big deal. The team was down two-nothing, with 2 mins left. Nothing had been working for the entire game. It was time to take a risk.

For him personally it would have been safer to dump it in. But what he did was the right thing for the team in that particular situation.
Yes, you get the puck deep. You don't risk a highly probable turnover at the blue line with an empty net behind you. You have an extra player, you get it deep... get on top of the D... create a turnover... and try to get the puck to the front of the net.

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12-02-2010, 10:25 AM
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Funny that everyone rips Z. Yet if Giroux had done that, it would of been ok, because he was trying something at the end of the game.

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12-02-2010, 10:26 AM
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Yes, you get the puck deep. You don't risk a highly probable turnover at the blue line with an empty net behind you. You have an extra player, you get it deep... get on top of the D... create a turnover... and try to get the puck to the front of the net.
Right, and then repeat it once more.

Come on, it was a 3 on 2 -- an immediate opportunity. If it had worked, the team would have had 2 more mins to dump and chase.

What you are suggesting would result in tying a 2-0 game in one of about 10 thousand cases. Save is death.

I have absolutely no problem with this play.

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12-02-2010, 10:38 AM
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Funny that everyone rips Z. Yet if Giroux had done that, it would of been ok, because he was trying something at the end of the game.
No, that would have been stupid. In general, the Flyers need to cut it out with the passes right at the blue line under pressure. JVR had a terrible one earlier in the game.

However, Giroux is pretty damn good about getting the puck deep.

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Right, and then repeat it once more.

Come on, it was a 3 on 2 -- an immediate opportunity. If it had worked, the team would have had 2 more mins to dump and chase.

What you are suggesting would result in tying a 2-0 game in one of about 10 thousand cases. Save is death.

I have absolutely no problem with this play.
Well, right, we've previously established that you love Z and that's that... but that play was stupid, and it directly led to a goal that ended the game.

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12-02-2010, 10:40 AM
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Funny that everyone rips Z. Yet if Giroux had done that, it would of been ok, because he was trying something at the end of the game.
No, it wouldn't have been ok if Giroux did it.

It wouldn't have been as bad though, because Giroux actually contributes places other than the offensive zone, and has been a smart player his whole career to this point.

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12-02-2010, 10:47 AM
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Well, right, we've previously established that you love Z and that's that... but that play was stupid, and it directly led to a goal that ended the game.
Maybe three periods of dump and chase ended the game?

This was absolutely right play given the circumstances.

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Maybe three periods of dump and chase ended the game?
Serious question: did you watch the game? If so, the above is comical.

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This was absolutely right play given the circumstances.
It DIRECTLY led to a goal against. If you make a play that DIRECTLY leads to a goal against, then you probably should have done something else.

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12-02-2010, 10:51 AM
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anyone think we need some more point shots on the PP? our PP looks exactly the same as it was a few days ago. Dump it down to danny, cycle it some more, back to the point. the point passes back and forth then back down to danny. then danny gets off a bad angle shot.

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12-02-2010, 11:02 AM
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anyone think we need some more point shots on the PP? our PP looks exactly the same as it was a few days ago. Dump it down to danny, cycle it some more, back to the point. the point passes back and forth then back down to danny. then danny gets off a bad angle shot.
Well, when they get set up they like to look for the point shots. We're really struggling with getting into the zone with the puck and getting organized with the proper spacing on a regular basis right now. A lot of times we end up with our forward running into each other/traffic and losing the puck along the wall.

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It DIRECTLY led to a goal against. If you make a play that DIRECTLY leads to a goal against, then you probably should have done something else.
Probably. But not really.

Any play that increases the chance of goal for (no matter how it increases the probability of goal against) is a smart play when trailing two-nothing with two mins left.

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12-02-2010, 11:05 AM
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Probably. But not really.

Any play that increases the chance of goal for (no matter how it increases the probability of goal against) is a smart play when trailing two-nothing with two mins left.
So, you think a drop pass at the opposing teams blue line with the defense well organized in front of you (and your teammates are not expecting a drop pass) increased the probability of a goal for there?

However, I'll play along. Lets say the drop pass improved the chance of the Flyers scoring on that rush by 1% (I think that's generous). It improved the chance of a goal against by about 99%... as a turnover there pretty much guaranteed a goal against if the Bruins hit the net.

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I think the last three games have proven there is no such thing as "score at will." Offense goes hot and cold. They've shown they can win games 5-2, but they haven't proven they can win games 2-1. As the season goes on, there will be more of the latter.

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12-02-2010, 11:17 AM
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What gets me is how we can't crack at hot goalie, this season.

It took 2 games for us to score on Price.

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We weren't going to keep scoring 5-6 every night. Especially with the PP going back into struggle mode. However, last night was all about Thomas. Many of those stops were crazy.

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Thomas is on.

That stop he did on Carter's redirect was when I thought, "Damn we're not going to get a goal."

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Thomas is on.

That stop he did on Carter's redirect was when I thought, "Damn we're not going to get a goal."
That was ridiculous.

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12-02-2010, 11:22 AM
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there is no way anyone should justify a drop pass with the empty net behind you being a smart play or even being ok with it. that was a pretty stupid play. but that shouldnt be shocking to anyone coming from a player that only thinks one way. offense all the time. instead of getting the puck, getting it deep then getting organized and try to make something happen. That play by Zherdev was destined to fail from the start. Was it the reason we lost? of course not. but with the empty net you have to be smarter with the puck. Doesnt matter if its Zherdev, Giroux, Briere, Richards, ect ect..


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Funny that everyone rips Z. Yet if Giroux had done that, it would of been ok, because he was trying something at the end of the game.
You can't seriously mention Giroux and Zherdev in the same breath. Giroux would get a bit of a break because he does a lot of great things offensively and is also better defensively. Zherdev is mediocre offensively and repeatedly does stupid things.

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So, you think a drop pass at the opposing teams blue line with the defense well organized in front of you (and your teammates are not expecting a drop pass) increased the probability of a goal for there?
Should have expected.

It was a 3 on 2, and should have been played like 3 on 2, drop pass or not. 3 on 2 is always more dangerous than dump-in. And not by 1%. Dump-ins usually result in just giving up the puck posession.

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Should have expected.

It was a 3 on 2, and should have been played like 3 on 2, drop pass or not. 3 on 2 is always more dangerous than dump-in. And not by 1%. Drop-ins usually result in just giving up the puck posession.
Not when you have speed and outnumber the defense. The other thing that dump-ins do is nix the chance of a quick counter rush with an empty net behind you.

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