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12-04-2010, 10:15 PM
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The concept of "context" and "timing" really should not be that hard to understand.

He was traded for that ^^^ package because his team at the time was seeking to dump salary and Dallas was taking on a long, weighty contract.

In this scenario, NYR would be on the hook for only a couple of months if they choose (acquiring an expring contract is a virtue in NHL circles, although not here). Plus, there will be more of a market for him at the deadline than there was when TB was looking to move a long-term contract.

As such, that package you describe above has no relevance to today.
What Trottier said x1000.

And the Rangers can't 'want' Richards all they want. The Stars are leading their division and are 2nd in the conference. Unless they really start struggling(which is entirely possible), Richards won't be going anywhere.

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Stepan
Anisimov
Boyle
Christensen

Drury has been on IR for a few months. Duby was converted to LW.
thanks guys---not a bad list but young and not high impact guys...maybe stepan someday

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quick question what is the rags center depth right now? basically duby and drury?
Ansimov, Christensen, Boyle, Stepan. Not necessarily in that order I think.

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You're saying New York has to give up good players to get a guy who returned Halpern, Jussi Jokinen and Smith for himself and Holmqvist ?
Rangers 1st + some prospect Valentenko type, or 1st, 2nd Valentenko type prospect would be more than enough for a rental. With the more than likely possibility of an "if he re-signs" clause.

That is, of course, if Dallas is going to miss.


Richards, 3 years ago, had 62 points in 70+ games and was making 7.8 million for the next 3 years. He was underachieving and was treated as salary dump which Dallas took despite his heavy contract.

Richards (now) is on pace for another career year and his value has changed significantly and is at an all time high. His playoff resume will also attract a lot of teams who want a playoff push.

Due to our lack of PMDs, I'm almost certain Nieuwendyk is going to ask for MDZ. If Richards is traded to the Rangers they don't have to worry about losing a MDZ's production on the PP because Richards is one of the best PPQB in the league.

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quick question what is the rags center depth right now? basically duby and drury?
Neither of those players is currently in the picture at C.

Dubinsky has been a LW since the middle of last season. Drury is injured. The Rangers have looked like this down the middle:

1st line--Alternates between Christensen (because he has sick chemistry with Gaborik) and Stepan.

2nd line--Alternates between Anisimov and Stepan (depending on who is playing on the 1st line)

3rd line--Has mostly been filled by Brian Boyle

4th line--Alternates between Boyle and Anisimov

There isn't a 1-4 order like you'd see on most teams, but the 4 players playing pivot are Stepan, Christensen, Boyle and Anisimov.

When Drury gets back, he's a safe bet to play 3rd line center. At that point, it's likely that Boyle will be moved to the 4th line or wing, and Christensen or Stepan will be sent to the AHL. It was looking like Stepan was likely the one to get sent down for seasoning, but he's been ppg over the last couple of weeks, so who knows.

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Del Zotto isn't just about the powerplay. He's our only PMD in the whole organization. We can't afford to move him, unless a young PMD stud was coming back.

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That's what almost all Ranger fans want to do. I am totally against trading for Richards. I'll take the risk of July 1st, considering the Rangers have a lot more incentives than other teams(Tortorella is the x-factor).
we have one reason for him to come here outside of the hockey and that Torts.

The issue that cancels that out totally is the cap room that we will NOT have come july 1st.

We get him via trade or we do not get him.

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What Trottier said x1000.

And the Rangers can't 'want' Richards all they want. The Stars are leading their division and are 2nd in the conference. Unless they really start struggling(which is entirely possible), Richards won't be going anywhere.
Until the summer time, anyway.

I'm not saying this to be a troll, but with our ownership BS it's looking more likely.

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The Kovalchuk debacle has probably hurt his value some.
That's a ridiculous - and gratuitous - shot. What exactly about the Kovy "debacle, would hurt Richard's value?

Are you seriously suggesting that anyone can say that ATL "won" that deal? Are you suggesting that the verdict is in on Kovy in NJD, based on two months last season (as a point per game player) and two lousy months to start this season? Are you honestly suggesting NHL GMs are saying "Wow. Looked how Nik Bergfors, Johnny Oduya and a couple of futures are tearing it up! And Kovy is clearly finished in NJ! What a steal! I'll never do that!"

Right.

Using that logic, no team would have ever signed ANY free agent again after the follies of your glorious franchise over the last decade+.

Here's a radical thought: say what you will about NJD's decision to re-sign Kovy this past summer, and all that entailed. But NJD makes that trade again TODAY with ATL. (And ATL does same.) As does any GM with a braincell. And you very well know it.


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we have one reason for him to come here outside of the hockey and that Torts.

The issue that cancels that out totally is the cap room that we will NOT have come july 1st.

We get him via trade or we do not get him.
I don't think that's true, though. White, Gilroy and Frolov all come off the cap. That should be more than enough to pay for Dubi, Cally and Anisimov's raises. Roszival should be pretty easy to move in the offseason as well, since he'll only have one year left.

It might be a tight fit, but it's definitely do-able.

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MDZ + callahan/dubinsy + pick for richards

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I don't think that's true, though. White, Gilroy and Frolov all come off the cap. That should be more than enough to pay for Dubi, Cally and Anisimov's raises. Roszival should be pretty easy to move in the offseason as well, since he'll only have one year left.

It might be a tight fit, but it's definitely do-able.
have to re-sign Cally, Dubi and Anisimov if he's not traded.

Those three right there more than cancel out the three expiring contracts you mentioned.

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12-04-2010, 10:28 PM
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Del Zotto isn't just about the powerplay. He's our only PMD in the whole organization. We can't afford to move him, unless a young PMD stud was coming back.
The Rangers should totally trade their young PMD for another young PMD

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I imagine the Starts cant move Richards if they are playing as well as they are now but if it comes down to the deadline and they are out of it or atleast not a big contender then the offer of Rozsival, Grachev, McDonaugh, Conditional 1st would have to be taken from a Ranger pt of view. Also Rangers need Daley back as they would be moving Rozsival on their D

Rangers would have to resign Richards. Then they would need to pay Anisimov, Dubinsky, Callahan and even Boyle as RFA's. Frolov, Prospal, Fedotenko are off the books so that will help paying for them.

on D it would hurt to lose Mcdonaugh but they do have Valentenko who is close that can slide in.

If the stars are not our of it do they not need guys that can help out for the stretch run too like Frolov and Christensen?

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have to re-sign Cally, Dubi and Anisimov if he's not traded.

Those three right there more than cancel out the three expiring contracts you mentioned.
How? Dubi and Cally are both making ~2million. At most, they get bumped up to 5 million each. And that's only if they keep up their current pace through the end of the season. Anisimov is likely due to get bumped up to the contracts that Dubi and Cally are on now, so that's a move from ~1 million to about 2 million. Worst case scenario (they all keep up their play and get the maximum raise), the Rangers will need 7 million to afford the raises (3 million each for Dubi/Cally and 1 million for Anisimov). White (2.4), Gilroy (1.75) and Frolov (3) combined is more than enough (7.15) to cover the raises for the Pack line.

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Will the prophesies come true? We've shipped Rozsival to Dallas at least 500 times on this forum. Do you think Dallas would be interested in Avery?

Seriously, gotta think Anisimov would be involved going the other way. If Werek reaches his potential, Dallas would be scary with he, Neal, and Benn. Maybe even Christan Thomas instead. McDonagh and Grachev aren't untouchable, either. Obviously not all of these players would be in the trade, just me rambling on.

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[QUOTE=Trottier;29366804]That's a ridiculous - and gratuitous - shot. What exactly about the Kovy "debacle, would hurt Richard's value?

If it was meant to be gratuitous, which it was not, I would have mentioned that Venderbeek wanted Kovalchuk to get rear ends in seats (this explaining the un-Lamoriello-like behavior of that contract) with the resulting half empty arena results to date.

15 year deals are no longer possible. This means that getting a player of Kovy's caliber for a $6MM per hit is no longer possible, or the clubs will not be willing to spend the dollars. Richards will want a raise off the terrific year he is having, as he should. The Rangers are not in the position to pay another roster player Gaborik dollars. Kovy's contract would be worth $9MM per if it was a 7 year deal.

If the cap goes up, which is not guaranteed, it will be only $2MM or so. Redden's salary hits the Rangers cap again over the summer. They cannot rid themselves of Drury. I don't see it happening.

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A certain three letter acronym has been not been mentioned in this thread. NTC Baby!

It's inclusion in the discussion is material and critical to realistic proposal construction.

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I think it will be Richards to the Leafs if they continues to do well this season, but I think they'll sign him in the off season for like 7Million since they always do that sort of thing, but hes most likely to head back to Tampa since he still likes it there, if they can afford him.\

But if they do the deal, it will be Richards for Christensen, Gilroy and 2011 1st

Toronto it will be Kaberle and Mitchell for Richards

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How? Dubi and Cally are both making ~2million. At most, they get bumped up to 5 million each. And that's only if they keep up their current pace through the end of the season. Anisimov is likely due to get bumped up to the contracts that Dubi and Cally are on now, so that's a move from ~1 million to about 2 million. Worst case scenario (they all keep up their play and get the maximum raise), the Rangers will need 7 million to afford the raises (3 million each for Dubi/Cally and 1 million for Anisimov). White (2.4), Gilroy (1.75) and Frolov (3) combined is more than enough (7.15) to cover the raises for the Pack line.
Dubi makes 1.85 and assuming he continues his current pase will get north of 4 million (for arguments sake lets say 4.25 per). That alone eliminates White's contract.

Cally makes 2.3 and will also probably get in the 4.25 range, more than canceling out all of Gilroy's contract and would cut into a portion of the expiring Frolov deal.

Anisimov, if not traded, will get 2-2.3 million which is a 1.3-1.5 million dolla raise.

That would leave us with approx. 1 million to sign Richards

So, while my initial assessment may nit have been correct, the general opinion remains the same. We will have significant cap issues come July 1st and the thought of signing Richards then becomes a pipe dream

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I think it will be Richards to the Leafs if they continues to do well this season, but I think they'll sign him in the off season for like 7Million since they always do that sort of thing, but hes most likely to head back to Tampa since he still likes it there, if they can afford him.
How do you expect a team with Stamkos, Lecavalier, and St. Louis to be able to afford Richards when he will command over 6 million easily.

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I think it will be Richards to the Leafs if they continues to do well this season, but I think they'll sign him in the off season for like 7Million since they always do that sort of thing, but hes most likely to head back to Tampa since he still likes it there, if they can afford him.\

But if they do the deal, it will be Richards for Christensen, Gilroy and 2011 1st

Toronto it will be Kaberle and Mitchell for Richards
Those proposals are laughable at best.

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How do you expect a team with Stamkos, Lecavalier, and St. Louis to be able to afford Richards when he will command over 6 million easily.
Not to mention Hedman needs to be resigned the year after. Tampa is going to be in the same position they were 3 years ago if they sign Richards (if it's even possible).

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I assume there would be give and take on both sides when they NEGOTIATE. Apparently the Stars will be wanting a D and a center replacement who is young and something to build off in the future. Obviously the Rangers want to remain competetive so core players are likely off the table. Worst case they don't get him and build off of what is a very nice team now.

Salary comes into play as usual unlike on HF.

Rozsival will be going to Dallas if any deal gets done, simply financial.
Anisimov will probably be the most likely center to move.
Conditional 1st if Richards resigns (I assume highly likely)
Grachev/Werek/Vtank/McD - one of these prospects and a smaller salary dump - probably Gilroy/Fedetenko/or White

I think if a deal require anything further the point of exit for NY chimes in the deal falls apart.

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[QUOTE=ThisYearsModel;29367255]Fair points. And, as such, that is part of the risk a team taking Richards on will have to accept.

But how does that make Kovy to NJD a "debacle" that will scare people off from Richards? If Kovy produces the remainder of his time in NJ like he has through two months of this season, it will indeed be a debacle of epic proportions. But it's a bit premature, no?

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A team acquiring Richards as an impending UFA will be in the same spot as NJD at the last deadline with Kovy - you are acquiring the guy to help you win big this coming April. (Obviously, it did not happen with NJD last spring, but no guts, no glory.) What takes place afterward with the player will take care of itself down the road, after the season. I'm sure you understand that NHL GMs with competitive teams actually focus on winning the Cup THIS YEAR, as opposed to being obsessed solely with the future. Sather surely wants Richards beyond this season. But he's not acquiring him at the deadline with 2011-12 first in mind. If he makes a deal, it's to do damage this spring, first and foremost. And unlike Kovy, Richards has the psotseason track record.

Personally, I believe if he gets him, NYR can do damage, as they are setting up very nice so far this season. But he will have to pay to get him.


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