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12-05-2010, 06:02 PM
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Nope.
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12-05-2010, 06:08 PM
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Explain.
We have no need for Frolov, Rozsival or Christensen...let alone all three.

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12-05-2010, 06:21 PM
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We have no need for Frolov, Rozsival or Christensen...let alone all three.
We definitely don't need Frolov (another LW and Russian) or Christensen (bottom six player). Rozsival, perhaps. But, I'd rather have Girardi.

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12-05-2010, 06:52 PM
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imo it'd take anisimov, grachev, mcdonaugh and frolov for salary purposes .

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12-05-2010, 06:59 PM
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Stepan, McDonagh, Rozsival (if we must take back some salary), 1st.

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12-05-2010, 07:01 PM
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Stepan, McDonagh, Rozsival (if we must take back some salary), 1st.
Now why would the Rangers do that?

People are really over-valuing Richards here...it's not like he's signed. He's a UFA, and people always seem to be off about the value of certain players around here.

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12-05-2010, 07:08 PM
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If the Stars do have intentions of trading Richards(and that's a big if at this point), and IF the Rangers can work out a pre trade extension with him, then it is plausible to think that Stepan, McDonagh or McIlrath + 1st wil go Dallas' way.

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12-05-2010, 07:24 PM
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If the Stars do have intentions of trading Richards(and that's a big if at this point), and IF the Rangers can work out a pre trade extension with him, then it is plausible to think that Stepan, McDonagh or McIlrath + 1st wil go Dallas' way.
No, it's really not plausible at all. When was the last time a team gave up so many pieces for a rental? Teams don't do "pre-trade extensions" in the NHL. Seriously, when was the last time you saw a team trade 3 of their top-5 prospects AND a first round pick for an over-30 player in a UFA year? It almost never happens.

For the Stars fan getting uppity about wanting Staal, we get it. You don't. If the price isn't realistic, then the Rangers walk away and wait for July. They've done is before (Kovalev). You say that Staal+++ is realistic, but there is really no recent precedent for THAT much payment for a rental.

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12-05-2010, 07:44 PM
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No, it's really not plausible at all. When was the last time a team gave up so many pieces for a rental? Teams don't do "pre-trade extensions" in the NHL. Seriously, when was the last time you saw a team trade 3 of their top-5 prospects AND a first round pick for an over-30 player in a UFA year? It almost never happens.
Are you that dense? He clearly said if an extension was worked out. If an extension were in place then hell yes Dallas can expect A LOT more.

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12-05-2010, 07:54 PM
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No, it's really not plausible at all. When was the last time a team gave up so many pieces for a rental? Teams don't do "pre-trade extensions" in the NHL. Seriously, when was the last time you saw a team trade 3 of their top-5 prospects AND a first round pick for an over-30 player in a UFA year? It almost never happens.

For the Stars fan getting uppity about wanting Staal, we get it. You don't. If the price isn't realistic, then the Rangers walk away and wait for July. They've done is before (Kovalev). You say that Staal+++ is realistic, but there is really no recent precedent for THAT much payment for a rental.
Let's do a little comparison, shall we?

For Kovalchuk, the Thrashers received:
- Nicklas Bergfors (Devils 3rd ranked prospect according to 2009 HF rankings)
- Patrice Cormier (Devils 5th ranked prospect according to 2009 HF rankings)
- Johnny Oduya
- 1st Round Pick

In my proposed deal, the Stars would receive:
- Derek Stepan (Rangers 3rd ranked prospect according to 2010 HF rankings)
- Ryan McDonagh (Rangers 5th ranked prospect according to 2010 HF rankings)
- Michal Rozsival
- 1st Round Pick

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

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12-05-2010, 08:02 PM
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I still don't see why Dallas would give him up any time soon, especially with where they are in the standings. Only way the Stars move him any time before the deadline is if someone blows their minds with a huge offer.

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12-05-2010, 08:48 PM
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Let's do a little comparison, shall we?

For Kovalchuk, the Thrashers received:
- Nicklas Bergfors (Devils 3rd ranked prospect according to 2009 HF rankings)
- Patrice Cormier (Devils 5th ranked prospect according to 2009 HF rankings)
- Johnny Oduya
- 1st Round Pick

In my proposed deal, the Stars would receive:
- Derek Stepan (Rangers 3rd ranked prospect according to 2010 HF rankings)
- Ryan McDonagh (Rangers 5th ranked prospect according to 2010 HF rankings)
- Michal Rozsival
- 1st Round Pick

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
But you aren't saying anything intelligent. Dallas fans keep taking the Kovalchuck deal, upgrading EVERY part of it, and claiming it's the same thing. The Rangers 1st is going to be higher than last year's Devils first. Roszival is a much better d-man than Oduya. McDonagh isn't a headcase prospect that the team was looking to get rid of (like Cormier) and Stepan is doing well in the NHL at the same age that Bergfors was struggling in the AHL.

ALL FOUR Rangers pieces in this deal are worth more than the Devils equivalent.

There's also the matter of Richards being 4 years older than Kovalchuck.

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12-05-2010, 08:51 PM
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But you aren't saying anything intelligent. Dallas fans keep taking the Kovalchuck deal, upgrading EVERY part of it, and claiming it's the same thing. The Rangers 1st is going to be higher than last year's Devils first. Roszival is a much better d-man than Oduya. McDonagh isn't a headcase prospect that the team was looking to get rid of (like Cormier) and Stepan is doing well in the NHL at the same age that Bergfors was struggling in the AHL.

ALL FOUR Rangers pieces in this deal are worth more than the Devils equivalent.

There's also the matter of Richards being 4 years older than Kovalchuck.
well, you seem to have hit the nail on the head

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12-05-2010, 08:51 PM
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Are you that dense? He clearly said if an extension was worked out. If an extension were in place then hell yes Dallas can expect A LOT more.
Yes, he clearly said if an extension was worked out via a pre-trade extension. When was the last time one of those happened in the NHL again? I could say that I would trade a package for Richards as long as he immediately metamorphosed himself into an amalgamation of Crosby and Ovechkin. Granted, that would be stupid, because that's not going to happen. A "pre-trade extension" period isn't going to happen either, so it's stupid to base trade value on the idea that it could. Whatever team trades for Richards will HOPE that they can re-sign him, but it's not going to be a guarantee, and that's just the way it is.


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12-05-2010, 08:53 PM
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Are you that dense? He clearly said if an extension was worked out. If an extension were in place then hell yes Dallas can expect A LOT more.
I'm pretty sure pre-trade extensions are not allowed in the nhl...

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12-05-2010, 09:40 PM
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Why am I the only one to completely agree with Lebrun on this?

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12-05-2010, 09:57 PM
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I'm pretty sure pre-trade extensions are not allowed in the nhl...
That's not the point. No matter what it was a hypothetical situation. The point the guy made was if Richards were signed the Stars could get a package like that which is true. The other guy completely disregarded that.

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12-05-2010, 10:00 PM
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Rozsival (salary), Anisimov, Gilroy

That is my guess...i know many fans here won't like this but thats my guess of what the deal will be structured around.

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12-05-2010, 10:04 PM
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That's not the point. No matter what it was a hypothetical situation. The point the guy made was if Richards were signed the Stars could get a package like that which is true. The other guy completely disregarded that.
I disregarded it because it was stupid. Again, you can say that IF, hypothetically speaking, Richards had the ability to fly, he'd be worth quite a bit more in trade. It's completely irrelevant, since that's a hypothetical that won't happen. Not unlikely. Not a long shot. It won't happen. Just like pre-trade extensions. I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T disregard a hypothetical that doesn't have any chance of happening.

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12-05-2010, 10:10 PM
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I disregarded it because it was stupid. Again, you can say that IF, hypothetically speaking, Richards had the ability to fly, he'd be worth quite a bit more in trade. It's completely irrelevant, since that's a hypothetical that won't happen. Not unlikely. Not a long shot. It won't happen. Just like pre-trade extensions. I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T disregard a hypothetical that doesn't have any chance of happening.
What's stupid are your hypotheticals compared to his. At least his happens in other sports and he may not have known it's not allowed in the NHL.

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If the Stars do have intentions of trading Richards(and that's a big if at this point), and IF the Rangers can work out a pre trade extension with him, then it is plausible to think that Stepan, McDonagh or McIlrath + 1st wil go Dallas' way.
no way Stepan goes anywhere right now.

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New York fans are acting like it is automatic Richards would become a Ranger if he hit free agency. Richards has never been on a big-market team, nor dealt with big-market media. He wants security (long year contract and permanent residence), and Sather has a history of trading away or burying his big money players in the minors. You think that doesn't affect the decision of big money free agents?

Richards is only behind Henrik in points production the past few seasons. You gotta give to get, and you're cutting Dallas short.

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12-05-2010, 10:33 PM
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Dallas gets: Rozsival, Grachev, McDonagh, 2nd (becomes a 1st if Richards resigns)

NYR gets: Richards, Daley
dont give away McDonagh give em Gilroy instead then bring McDonagh up for his spot

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dont give away McDonagh give em Gilroy instead then bring McDonagh up for his spot
Why would Dallas want Gilroy over McDonagh? Gilroy can't even crack our top 6.

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For Kovalchuk, the Thrashers received:
- Nicklas Bergfors (Devils 3rd ranked prospect according to 2009 HF rankings)
- Patrice Cormier (Devils 5th ranked prospect according to 2009 HF rankings)
- Johnny Oduya
- 1st Round Pick

In my proposed deal, the Stars would receive:
- Derek Stepan (Rangers 3rd ranked prospect according to 2010 HF rankings)
- Ryan McDonagh (Rangers 5th ranked prospect according to 2010 HF rankings)
- Michal Rozsival
- 1st Round Pick

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
One major difference between Kovalchuk and Richards - Atl was under the gun to make a trade because they offered a huge contract to Kovy and he turned them down, indicating he would not resign with them. Richards is happy in Dallas, its the ownership situation that makes everyone think they may deal him. Therefore, especially if Dallas is still in the playoff mix or the ownership issue could be settled before July 1st, they are in no need to deal him unless they are out of the playoff running. Dallas' budget is set for this year, and Richards' salary is part of that budget. The team does not need to move him unless 1 of 2 things happen;
1 - they fall out of playoff contention
2 - current lenders running the team/new owners decide the payroll for this year can no longer include his salary.

Most important to the lenders (moreso than getting a good return for Richards) is to make money, and they will not be convinced the team will be better without Richards in order to make the team more competitive for the playoffs. Therefore, to get him a team will need to overpay for him - even more than many HF team fans say they are willing to pay.

BTW, don't expect the Stars to take salary back to even things out so the other team can afford him (ie Rozsival). If they are forced to move Richards, the sole purpose as far as the lenders are concerned is to save as much money as possible - they do not want to take any kind of salary back, even if he is signed for another year (as in Rozy's case). A few more years maybe, but not 1 year.


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