Frolov probably would be really good on the red wings. Hudler is a playmaker we are certainly missing that in our current lineup. If Hudler had an expiring contract I would make this trade.The only problem is Hudler is signed next year at 2.875. Rangers have to resign Dubi, Callahan & Anisimov. Plus if Richards reaches free agency we are definately going after him we cant afford paying Hudler 2.875 million next year.
I'm a fan of Abdelkader too. His hits are awesome. I'd drive Frolov to Detroit for him. But no way detroit would want to make that trade.
Frolov probably would be really good on the red wings. Hudler is a playmaker we are certainly missing that in our current lineup. If Hudler had an expiring contract I would make this trade.The only problem is Hudler is signed next year at 2.875. Rangers have to resign Dubi, Callahan & Anisimov. Plus if Richards reaches free agency we are definately going after him we cant afford paying Hudler 2.875 million next year.
I'm a fan of Abdelkader too. His hits are awesome. I'd drive Frolov to Detroit for him. But no way detroit would want to make that trade.
maybe Gilroy, Frolov and White for Abdelkader and Joakim Andersson
didnt we keep nedved around for veronika varekova?
I thought that he was married to Petra Nemcova? I always liked Nedved, but IIRC I'd rather pay Petra the $3M USD (Nedved held out for) to shower in the locker room 82 games a season, plus preseason & playoffs.
id take that deal but id rather have Justin Abdelkader. rangers need more size. Hudler is a solid player but they need size up front.. id love a player like Ericsson on d. maybe Ericsson for Gilroy
Frolov and Gilroy for Abelkader and Ericsson??
This is a classic example of expecting a team to take our trash for quality assets. While I think Frolov probably has SOME value, Abdelkader and Ericsson are both players the wings are hoping develop into staples on their team.
I like this proposal. Big fan of Hudler but as the season goes on it looks more and more like Hudler could get shipped at some point.
Few reasons. Hasn't played good but more importantly doesn't fit well anymore for some reason. The russian vacation. Babcock's short leash he's always had on him. He's just not back to normal yet. Since Modano went down Jiri's started playing better. Not playing scared to sit the next game. The other thing is the wings tend to draft for skill. This has put quite a few smaller high skill guys in their pipeline. Coming in the next few years are Mursak, Tatar, Nyquist, Jarnkrok. Basically Tatar is Hudler with speed. So, we're covered and then some.
When he's on his game and he will be again at some point, only Datsyuk is better at controlling the puck. His last year this side of the pond, he ran the 2nd pp unit from the half boards. Well, him and Kronwall. Great vision, great distribution, laser of a shot, very smart hockey player. Always had to fight for icetime though. As DATSOMATIC mentioned did the most with his time in the entire league. Whoever ends up with him will be happy. If you guys need a guy like that, he'd be a great pick up. He has his faults, but what he can do, he does well. His speed is below average but not that bad. He looks like he's Fred Flinstoning it so he looks slower but he gets there. As for his 2.875 its not great value now, but even if he just gets back to how he played 2 years ago, the value is there. This year and next.
I'm of the thought that right now is the worst time to trade Hudler. Value's too low. But for Frolov it works cause his value is low too. I'm under the impression they are equal players. Wings fans have wanted a russian winger for Dats for awhile. The only concern I have about Frolov from what you guys typed is........ Is he a dumb hockey player? Skills but can't hang in a system? I really don't know much about Frolov. But I'd be willing to throw him in the top 9 and see where he fits.
The only roster player that may get traded by the wings is Hudler. Just him. He's the only piece that doesn't fit well. Abs, Ericsson. You wouldn't want to pay the price. Wings don't trade their assets just because and as mentioned earlier in the thread.... Those 2 are potentially important parts of our future.
And it'll be Hudler for a comparably valued forward coming back.1 player for 1 player. Even salary is fine. Anything else throws off our depth. And I don't think we'd just drop him for picks / prospects. Then you have 3 mil cap space sitting there for the cup run, or a rental that costs too much assets. Anyway, Frolov works, the other type of player the wings would look at is a face puncher with enough skill to play 3rd line.
I like this proposal. Big fan of Hudler but as the season goes on it looks more and more like Hudler could get shipped at some point.
Few reasons. Hasn't played good but more importantly doesn't fit well anymore for some reason. The russian vacation. Babcock's short leash he's always had on him. He's just not back to normal yet. Since Modano went down Jiri's started playing better. Not playing scared to sit the next game. The other thing is the wings tend to draft for skill. This has put quite a few smaller high skill guys in their pipeline. Coming in the next few years are Mursak, Tatar, Nyquist, Jarnkrok. Basically Tatar is Hudler with speed. So, we're covered and then some.
When he's on his game and he will be again at some point, only Datsyuk is better at controlling the puck. His last year this side of the pond, he ran the 2nd pp unit from the half boards. Well, him and Kronwall. Great vision, great distribution, laser of a shot, very smart hockey player. Always had to fight for icetime though. As DATSOMATIC mentioned did the most with his time in the entire league. Whoever ends up with him will be happy. If you guys need a guy like that, he'd be a great pick up. He has his faults, but what he can do, he does well. His speed is below average but not that bad. He looks like he's Fred Flinstoning it so he looks slower but he gets there. As for his 2.875 its not great value now, but even if he just gets back to how he played 2 years ago, the value is there. This year and next.
I'm of the thought that right now is the worst time to trade Hudler. Value's too low. But for Frolov it works cause his value is low too. I'm under the impression they are equal players. Wings fans have wanted a russian winger for Dats for awhile. The only concern I have about Frolov from what you guys typed is........ Is he a dumb hockey player? Skills but can't hang in a system? I really don't know much about Frolov. But I'd be willing to throw him in the top 9 and see where he fits.
Frolov is not a dumb hockey player at all. He just shouldnt carry the puck. He needs to get to a spot and set up shop. With the Rangers he can't do that as no one carries the puck into the attacking zone unless it is Gaborik and he is most likely looking to shoot, for good reason.
No way. Hudler is signed for next season. $2.875M cap hit/$3M salary. The Rangers are going to have a ***** of a time trying to re-sign their own players and trying to free up money for other needs and some people want to add another $3 million in a smurf.
RB- Exactly why should we be able to keep everyone we have -- since the current balance obviously is very flawed/tilted towards players with zero creatitivty? Along with out best prospects being Grachev and Kreider who won't bring any/much playmaking ability.
At the current pace, we will peak as a 5th-6th overall team in the East, and then go downhill from that 4-5 years from now when the kids hits UFA and starts making the big buck.
You hate smurfs?
Look at Philly, a team that made the SCF's last season without a goalie. They have three smurfs in Giroux, Briere and Leino, and have now added Zherdev.
Philly:s lineup:
15 - Andreas Nodl 18 - Mike Richards 21 - James van Riemsdyk
19 - Scott Hartnell 48 - Danny Briere 22 - Ville Leino
93 - Nikolay Zherdev 28 - Claude Giroux 17 - Jeff Carter
A lot of smurfs in that mix, and see the balance between the three lines. Real PF's, and real playmakers. That work for one reason, you can't find nine top 3 line players who all have it all -- it would cost too much. You can get like 3 smurfs, 3 PF's and 3 two-way guys for a discount.
We have one weaker forward, Stepan, and the rest are hardworkers or named Gabby.
Happy Huds could be a steal. He would definitely take some of Detroit with him. He have potential. Would be complimented well here in NY.
I could see our lineup being something like this in the future: Avery-Stepan-Gabby
Grachev-Anisimov-MZA
Dubi-Hudler-Callahan
Yea like I said. No way do I make any deal like this.
The team is playing fine right now. They'll get their mid-season acquisitions in Drury and Prospal(maybe).
Let the contracts that expire this summer, expire.
Trade Rozsival at the draft for an early 2nd round pick. Giving us 4 picks in the first two rounds (3 2nds).
Retain Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, Sauer long term.
Retain Eminger for one year.
Sign Kreider, Werek, and Hagelin to pro contracts. With Kreider and Werek probably making the NHL roster.
Waive Boogaard and Redden to Hartford.
With Rozsival, Gilroy, Boogaard, White, Prospal, Fedotenko, Frolov all off the books.
Sign Richards (5yrs/35mil - 7mil/yr)
And suddenly the roster is free of basically every bad contract, with Drury's expiring after next season. You've added more size, more skill, more youth, a bonafied #1 center for Gaborik, basically all our issues solved.
The only hole to fill at that point is a 3rd pairing lefty D-man. McDonagh/Valentenko both lefties. Kundratek is a righty.
Maybe McIlrath surprises.
Maybe they get a cheap(ish) vet on a one year deal. And get a good value out of him like Eminger.
