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12-10-2010, 10:04 AM
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Grabovski is like a really poor man's Doug Gilmour, in a lot of ways. He'll skate through a wall to make things happen and he gets better and better. But of course you listen to offers if you're a GM, and if someone overpays, go for it. I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd like Antropov though.
I understand what you are trying to say but don't ever put Grabs and Killer in the same sentence again.

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12-10-2010, 10:20 AM
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Hockey sense is not something that's very easy to increase, for the most part you either have it or don't. NHLers have been on the ice every day for the last 5-15 years so if they lack hockey sense it's probably because they don't have the capacity to have good hockey sense, it's like like a shot or strength where you can work on it. Plus, he'll be 27 in 6 weeks, not like he's a spring chicken. His ceiling is pretty much a 20 G 45-50 point guy.
Hockey sense isn't even Grabo's problem.... his biggest problems are:

1. Faceoff ability -- Comes with experience at the NHL level, he improved that marginally over the last couple of years.

2. Strength -- Problably not going to improve.

3. Finishing -- Might improve marginally.

4. Knowledge of capabilities -- Has improved a fair bit so far this year, this generally comes with experience. When Grabo first came to Toronto, he'd try and make a move at the blueline and often turn it over. Now, he usually has his head up, will still try and make the move, but if he fails, he'll get the puck into the corner and away from any danger.

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12-10-2010, 12:03 PM
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Someone playing good in Toronto? TRADE HIM.
Someone playing bad in Toronto? TRADE HIM.

What is wrong with you guys? Seriously.

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12-10-2010, 12:06 PM
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Why would we want to sell Grabo? He's our best player at the moment.

What I'm hearing from a lot of people in this thread is desperation. Trading our best player because were desperate is not going to make us a better team.

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12-10-2010, 12:14 PM
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Trading only makes sense when you trade something redundant for something in need. The chance of getting something better or worse in return is usually the same.

Signing free agent is even worse mathmatically. A player becomes a free agent becasue his team, which can evaluate the player on a daily basis, deemed the player too expensive to keep. Then, you have to compete with other teams to sign the FA. The chance of signing free agent being a good move is less than 50%.

However, there is a way to obtain players which highly favors losing teams by letting them pick earlier than winning teams. Unfortunately, Bruke doesn't seem to understand this mathmatical concept.

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12-10-2010, 02:46 PM
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Do not sell or trade anybody until a long time after Wilson is fired. See how each player reacts to the new coach. The Leaf players will not underachieve more than they are now with Wilson.

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12-10-2010, 02:47 PM
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I understand what you are trying to say but don't ever put Grabs and Killer in the same sentence again.
Amen.

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12-10-2010, 02:54 PM
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This isn't the stock market, but even there buy low sell high is much tougher than it sounds.

What if the stock keeps growing? What if our low buy never rebounds back?

Your not gonna get some super deal for him either, what would you get for him now a second rounder? That second rounder is more than a long shot to get up to the NHL and give us as much value as a Grabo currently.
I say wait until the trade deadline. If we're not close to making the playoffs, trade him. We might even get a lottery pick in 2012.

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12-10-2010, 02:59 PM
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Someone playing good in Toronto? TRADE HIM.
Someone playing bad in Toronto? TRADE HIM.

What is wrong with you guys? Seriously.
This. So ridiculous.

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12-10-2010, 03:21 PM
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i would do it if we got a star player back in a package


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12-10-2010, 03:44 PM
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im glad everyone else is now on the grabo wagon.....of course my reasoning last year for liking him was "SPEED, DANGLES, TUCKED JERSEY, AWESOME HAIR." Hard work and heart sound a whole lot better.

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12-10-2010, 06:35 PM
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So I'm the only one that likes pinapples.


Im genuinely curious about those thinking that he hasn't reached his peak yet, what are you expecting out of him in the next 3-4 years?

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12-10-2010, 07:15 PM
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Exactly. He's been the best and most consistent forward this season. Trading him would pretty much end our season right now. He's grown as a player, offensively and believe it or not defensivly aswell. I think he is finally showing us his potential, and I think he's got more to give.
I agree with you and 40 bay big time, but this could also mean we can sell him for a younger player who has full 1st line center potential. That's the only reason I can see us possibly getting rid of him.

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12-10-2010, 07:18 PM
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12-10-2010, 07:49 PM
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I bet yah Nashville would have some interest in him, get a package of prospects and picks. Ellis would be pretty sweet considering we're probably going to lose Kaberle.

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Do not sell or trade anybody until a long time after Wilson is fired. See how each player reacts to the new coach. The Leaf players will not underachieve more than they are now with Wilson.
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12-11-2010, 12:27 AM
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Uhh, one of the only things going right for this team, and you want him gone?

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12-11-2010, 12:28 AM
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alll huigh on grasbo..

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12-11-2010, 01:01 AM
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Definetly keep him, the Mac Grabo Kulemin line is one of the bright spots of this season

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12-11-2010, 03:09 AM
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Definately a keeper at this point. Unless there is some HUGE deal then no way, he is getting better and better. Also, not such a fan of Burke's trade moves for the most part and we would be better served to get an ufa in the offseason at his point imho. How many times can you blow a team up with not a helluva lot of value to offer other teams without totally screwing things up?

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12-11-2010, 03:19 AM
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I could see him being here for the long haul. He has improved ALOT this season and he wants to play here/win.

I agree with Stephen though, if it's a 2nd round pick, forget it.

If someone is willing to overpay with a pick and prospect? Burke listens.

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12-11-2010, 03:33 AM
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I understand what you are trying to say but don't ever put Grabs and Killer in the same sentence again.

Thanks.
Haha, I know, that's not really a fair comparison at all. I'd say he plays a similar game to Sergei Berezin if anyone.

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12-11-2010, 04:27 AM
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He's earning his contract. He's not over performing, he's making the deal we gave him a fair deal for both sides. There is no reason to be trading our best forward.

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12-11-2010, 09:37 AM
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Haha, I know, that's not really a fair comparison at all. I'd say he plays a similar game to Sergei Berezin if anyone.
I've never liked the Grabo and Berezin comparisons. Yeah, they had similar hair....and yeah....they both rocked the jersey tuck....and yeah, they both have similar numbers and speed, but aside from that, I think the comparisons end there. Completely different games.

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how's that funny? lol

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