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12-10-2010, 08:50 PM
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Actually, if we are to go with matching the lines and pairings as we discussed... doesn't it make sense to go with goalie tandems?

The late Wayne Stephenson was the perfect back up for Bernie... and he proved that for extended periods of Bernie's absence he was a more than adequate fill-in -- albeit not a Bernie -- It actually makes sense to not break them up... But I just love Hexy, and he did have the statistics to back up the choice... and he does share Conn Smyth honors with Bernie.


... Or we can go with Phil Myre and Pete Peeters as a great tandem... in a much shorter period.
Ahhhh i forgot about Stephenson. Excellent point.

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Barber - Clarke - Leach (LCB line)
Dineen/Tocchet - Poulin - Kerr
Propp - Richards - Forsberg
LeClair - Lindros - Renberg (Doom line)

Pronger / Desjardins
Timonen / Howe
Van Impe / Hatcher

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Vengeance Era (so far)

Gagne - Richards - Knuble
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Umberger - Carter - Giroux
Upshall - Betts - Laperriere

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Smith

Emery
Bobrovsky
Biron

Veteran Era

LeClair - Roenick - Recchi
Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble
Williams - Primeau - Amonte
Brashear - Handzus - Kapanen

Desjardins - Pitkanen
Johnsson - Therien
Weinrich - McGillis

Boucher
Cechmanek
Esche

Doom Era

LeClair - Lindros - Renberg
Klatt - Brind'Amour - Recchi
Podein - Otto - Zubrus
Falloon - Langkow - Hawerchuk

Desjardins - Therien
Coffey - Niinimaa
Svoboda - Dykhuis

Hextall
Vanbiesbrouck
Snow

That's about as far as my memory stretches. I was too young, even to remember most of the Doom Era.

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2000-2010

Gagne - Richards - Recchi
LeClair - Primeau - Knuble
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
Roenick - Handzus - Kapanen

Timonen - Desjardins
Pronger - Johnsson
Hatcher - Pitkanen

Esche
Boucher

Tried to factor in only their time from 2000+. Length of time in the sweater came into effect so it was hard to include guys like Forsberg. I also tried my best to keep guys in position. It was pretty difficult. The only guy that was here for a majority of the 2000's was Gagne

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Vengeance Era (so far)

Gagne - Richards - Knuble
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Umberger - Carter - Giroux
Upshall - Betts - Laperriere

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn
Meszaros - Smith

Emery
Bobrovsky
Biron

Veteran Era

LeClair - Roenick - Recchi
Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble
Williams - Primeau - Amonte
Brashear - Handzus - Kapanen

Desjardins - Pitkanen
Johnsson - Therien
Weinrich - McGillis

Boucher
Cechmanek
Esche

Doom Era

LeClair - Lindros - Renberg
Klatt - Brind'Amour - Recchi
Podein - Otto - Zubrus
Falloon - Langkow - Hawerchuk

Desjardins - Therien
Coffey - Niinimaa
Svoboda - Dykhuis

Hextall
Vanbiesbrouck
Snow

That's about as far as my memory stretches. I was too young, even to remember most of the Doom Era.
Falloon?... Pat Falloon?... Fat Balloon?

Do you want to please justify that selection, Dude? Take your time... I'll wait.

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Falloon?... Pat Falloon?... Fat Balloon?

Do you want to please justify that selection, Dude? Take your time... I'll wait.
I was 10 in 1997 when we went to the Finals. How much am I supposed to remember?

I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.

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12-10-2010, 10:31 PM
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I was 10 in 1997 when we went to the Finals. How much am I supposed to remember?

I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.
haha okay... I'll take that explanation.

Pat was one of Clarke's many 'Project' players... one of those 'cannot miss' 'next ones' that fall flat on their cans right out of the gate. With Clarke those resurrection projects were like my wife and shoes... can't be passed up, and can't have too many of them. If Clarke would have only hit on one of them... one player that other teams mishandled and found their Juniors magic in O&B... just one, I would have been happy (and I loved Clarke, BTW).

Seems Homer learned to take gambles on resurrecting careers from Clarke (Emery, Zherdev, Leighten, etc.)... If we can count Leino in that group, the long wait may finally be over.

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12-10-2010, 10:49 PM
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haha okay... I'll take that explanation.

Pat was one of Clarke's many 'Project' players... one of those 'cannot miss' 'next ones' that fall flat on their cans right out of the gate. With Clarke those resurrection projects were like my wife and shoes... can't be passed up, and can't have too many of them. If Clarke would have only hit on one of them... one player that other teams mishandled and found their Juniors magic in O&B... just one, I would have been happy (and I loved Clarke, BTW).

Seems Homer learned to take gambles on resurrecting careers from Clarke (Emery, Zherdev, Leighten, etc.)... If we can count Leino in that group, the long wait may finally be over.
Emery, Zherdev, Leighton, Eminger, Leino, Bobrovsky, Carle, Meszaros, Pither, Krajicek, etc.

Holmgren has taken on more low risk/high reward projects than you seem to believe.

EDIT: I forgot Kaspar and Kolanos last year.


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12-10-2010, 11:28 PM
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Emery, Zherdev, Leighton, Eminger, Leino, Bobrovsky, Carle, Meszaros, Pither, Krajicek, etc.

Holmgren has taken on more low risk/high reward projects than you seem to believe.
The "etc." was covering those. haha... but I have to admit that I choose to forget Eminger on purpose.

But seriously, the real 'projects' that Clarke would drool over and deal for where the very highly drafted players that came out of Juniors with raves that suggested the Next Coming of Gretzky -- like Crosby, only wrong -- The ones that when they came up were either too lazy or didn't have the drive... Clarke would gather them up like Halloween candy. Three that quickly come to mind are Falloon, Daigle and Brendl... but I'm sure someone with better memory than myself will list others.

I remember the Flyers roster always being comprised with loads of top five choice, and most of them duds... In fact, it seems that over the years the Flyers have always made it a point to have as many past first round selections as possible. If I weren't so lazy I'd look at this year's roster and count how many first rounders are presently on it... I just may do that for fun.


EDIT: here is what I found on the current roster...

11 players are 1st rounders
5 are top tens
5 are their own

Briere #24 Overall
*Carter #11
*Giroux #22
Hartnell #6
*Richards #24
Zherdev #4
*JvR #2
Coburn #8
Meszcaros #23
Pronger #2
*Boucher #22

* = Flyers selection


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12-11-2010, 12:31 AM
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Gagne-Forsberg-Knuble
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Leach-Clarke-Barber
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The "etc." was covering those. haha... but I have to admit that I choose to forget Eminger on purpose.

But seriously, the real 'projects' that Clarke would drool over and deal for where the very highly drafted players that came out of Juniors with raves that suggested the Next Coming of Gretzky -- like Crosby, only wrong -- The ones that when they came up were either too lazy or didn't have the drive... Clarke would gather them up like Halloween candy. Three that quickly come to mind are Falloon, Daigle and Brendl... but I'm sure someone with better memory than myself will list others.

I remember the Flyers roster always being comprised with loads of top five choice, and most of them duds... In fact, it seems that over the years the Flyers have always made it a point to have as many past first round selections as possible. If I weren't so lazy I'd look at this year's roster and count how many first rounders are presently on it... I just may do that for fun.


EDIT: here is what I found on the current roster...

11 players are 1st rounders
5 are top tens
5 are their own

Briere #24 Overall
*Carter #11
*Giroux #22
Hartnell #6
*Richards #24
Zherdev #4
*JvR #2
Coburn #8
Meszcaros #23
Pronger #2
*Boucher #22

* = Flyers selection
I also find it crazy that Timonen was selected with one of the last picks in the 10th (out of 11) round of his draft year.

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12-11-2010, 07:37 AM
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First we need to define the eras don't we?

I've actually been curious about this.

The Broad Street Bullies Era
The Late 80's-Early 90's
The Legion of Doom
Post-Lindros
Richards/Carter Era

Does that sound about right?
AGAIN right off topic.....didnt he say ALLLLLLL era team? so that means EVERY Flyer ever

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AGAIN right off topic.....didnt he say ALLLLLLL era team? so that means EVERY Flyer ever
Era:

1.
a : a fixed point in time from which a series of years is reckoned
b : a memorable or important date or event; especially : one that begins a new period in the history of a person or thing
2.
: a system of chronological notation computed from a given date as basis
3.
a : a period identified by some prominent figure or characteristic feature <the era of the horse and buggy>
b : a stage in development (as of a person or thing)
c : a large division of geologic time usually shorter than an eon <Paleozoic era>



There are different "eras" in Flyers' history. If an "era" is a part of a whole in that it is a part of a timeline of events, it can't, by definition, be the entirety of the event.

However many times you divide up Flyers' history, a fraction can never a whole by it's very definition.

Excuse me for knowing the definition of "era" and applying it.

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John Leclair - Erick Lindros - Mikael Renberg
Simon Gagné - Jeremy Roenick - Jeff Carter
Mike Richards - Keith Primeau - Daniel Brière
Scott Hartnell - Rod Brind'Amour - Mark Recchi
Mike Knuble

Eric Desjardins - Chris Therien
Chris Pronger - Kimmo Timonen
Joni Pitkänen - Braydon Coburn
Kim Johnson

Goalies?
Who need goalies?

Something like this would be the result if I were to select the team, only taking players I've actually seen play. Hextall and Niittymäki would probably be the goalies after all.

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LeClair - Lindros - Recchi
Tocchet - Clarke - Barber
Kerr - Richards - Giroux
Leach - Forsberg - Gagne

Howe - Pronger
Desjardins - Ashbee
Timonen - Van Impe

G - Bernie
G - Lindbergh

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LeClair Lindros Renberg
Gagne Forsberg Knuble
Hartnell Briere Leino
Carcillo Betts Laperiere (my fave 4th line all time)

Timonen Pronger
Ragnarson Johnnson
Therien Desjardins

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From the Keenan era on, keeping people in positions they actually played (if not all the time), etc. ...

LeClair Lindros Kerr
Propp Forsberg Recchi
Gagne Richards Tocchet
Brind'amour Poulin Roenick

Extra Forward: Primeau
First call-up: Mikael Renberg (yeah, there may be more deserving guys, but he's one of my favorite players of all time.)

Howe Pronger
Timonen Desjardins
McCrimmon Johnsson

Extra Defenseman: Hatcher
First call-up: I don't know, Pitkanen? Niinimaa? Haller? Duchesne? Coburn? Carle? I've had the pleasure of watching 5 truly great defenseman in orange & black in 25 years of watching hockey, and that's not nearly enough.

Hextall (circa 87) - Pelle is ever so slightly out of the reach of my memory.
Cechmanek - what a sad, sad indictment on the quality of Flyers goaltending over the last 25 years.

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From the Keenan era on, keeping people in positions they actually played (if not all the time), etc. ...

LeClair Lindros Kerr
Propp Forsberg Recchi
Gagne Richards Tocchet
Brind'amour Poulin Roenick

Extra Forward: Primeau
First call-up: Mikael Renberg (yeah, there may be more deserving guys, but he's one of my favorite players of all time.)

Howe Pronger
Timonen Desjardins
McCrimmon Johnsson

Extra Defenseman: Hatcher
First call-up: I don't know, Pitkanen? Niinimaa? Haller? Duchesne? Coburn? Carle? I've had the pleasure of watching 5 truly great defenseman in orange & black in 25 years of watching hockey, and that's not nearly enough.

Hextall (circa 87) - Pelle is ever so slightly out of the reach of my memory.
Cechmanek - what a sad, sad indictment on the quality of Flyers goaltending over the last 25 years
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It almost makes me feel sick,weve not exactly had great keeprrs in lat 25 years! Thats my best 2 keeperes as well, after tahts its esche and nitty, i mean then bob after 20 games. Its wfully sad considering ive been watching for 12 years, i might put burke in there!...


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Well me being a old fart here. This is my all time list. A lot of Honorable mentions to many to name G, Carter Hexy, Marsh etc. I like Chris's idea of doing a decade's team.


LW - Center - Right Wing

1. Barber - Clarke - Leach

2.Propp - Macliesh - Kerr

3. Leclair - Lindros - Recchi

4. Gagne - Richards - Tocchet


Defence

Howe - Pronger

Timonen - McCrimmon

Desjardins - Marsh



Goaltenders

Parent

Lindbergh


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^ Bladon over Jimmy Watson?

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^ Bladon over Jimmy Watson?
Yes Jimmy was good but Tom had the offence. I know Jimmy and Joe. The runner up to Bobby Orr as rookie of the year was Jimmy's mentor. Who would that be?

PS Just watched the extended version of the Good, The Bad and The Ugly without and with the commentary. Great Flick

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Yes Jimmy was good but Tom had the offence. I know Jimmy and Joe. The runner up to Bobby Orr as rookie of the year was Jimmy's mentor. Who would that be?

PS Just watched the extended version of the Good, The Bad and The Ugly without and with the commentary. Great Flick
1. Bladon was booed at times, perhaps unnecessarily. He did excel in certain aspects of the game. Runnerup to Bobby Orr for the Calder was Ed Van Impe. Orr was the best man at Joe Watson's wedding.

2. It really is. Perhaps the ideal flick. For a movie that is known for action scenes, it was exceptional in an intuitive nature, too.

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1. Bladon was booed at times, perhaps unnecessarily. He did excel in certain aspects of the game. Runnerup to Bobby Orr for the Calder was Ed Van Impe. Orr was the best man at Joe Watson's wedding.

2. It really is. Perhaps the ideal flick. For a movie that is known for action scenes, it was exceptional in an intuitive nature, too.
Bladon was the trailblazer for all the D-men who followed and took abuse.

As a young man I was a fan of Bladon because of his O side... But yes, Tommy had his faults and was not the complete D-man. He had his place on the Championsip squad though... and will forever be remembered by many of the first generation fans, IMO. That said, he is an afterthought in lists such as this.

... Brad Marsh was mentioned a little whole ago... he is one of the players I knew I would sadly miss and omit. I think I would replace Dailey on my list with Marsh... Marshy was an excellent D-man up until his ill-fated run-in with the side of the glass panel; he was sadly never the same upon his return.

I feel that the concussion Coffey had after the accidental collision with Lindros also sealed his fate and ended his brilliant career for all intents and purposes... It as a crime how many career were/are short circuited due to head injuries... (sigh)

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Bladon was the trailblazer for all the D-men who followed and took abuse.

As a young man I was a fan of Bladon because of his O side... But yes, Tommy had his faults and was not the complete D-man. He had his place on the Championsip squad though... and will forever be remembered by many of the first generation fans, IMO. That said, he is an afterthought in lists such as this.

... Brad Marsh was mentioned a little whole ago... he is one of the players I knew I would sadly miss and omit. I think I would replace Dailey on my list with Marsh... Marshy was an excellent D-man up until his ill-fated run-in with the side of the glass panel; he was sadly never the same upon his return.

I feel that the concussion Coffey had after the accidental collision with Lindros also sealed his fate and ended his brilliant career for all intents and purposes... It as a crime how many career were/are short circuited due to head injuries... (sigh)
Behn Wilson and Terry Carkner have to be near the top of that list.

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