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12-13-2010, 12:30 PM
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Didn't everyone else see the story that when Leighton is recalled Walker will be sent to the minors officially (already there on conditioning)? Or at least that is what rotoworld is stating. That is what I have been expecting since Walker was acquired. A trip to the AHL - he just delayed it due to injury. We just took on that contract to get rid of Gagnes. I don't think he was ever planned to be in the NHL. His 1.7M is a cheaper cap hit for a minor league player than Redden in New York and Snider has the money to pay it versus the folks in Tampa. That is why that trade doesn't bother me. Until Walker actually plays and starts causing us roster problems or points in the standings he means nothing to me. If he gets sent to the AHL, he never existed in my books.
so you think the GM was lying when he said walker was a quality dman and important part of the team? Yeah was all part of the master plan. Acquire him to waive him. Makes sense.

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12-13-2010, 12:32 PM
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so you think the GM was lying when he said walker was a quality dman and important part of the team? Yeah was all part of the master plan. Acquire him to waive him. Makes sense.
He claimed Lappy was coming here to be a faceoff specialist a summer ago.

Holmgren isn't above being full of ****.

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12-13-2010, 12:36 PM
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He claimed Lappy was coming here to be a faceoff specialist a summer ago.

Holmgren isn't above being full of ****.
i realize that, didnt think the sarcasm smiley was warranted. Though i do not think that was part of the plan, to waive him when they acquired him.

Leighton is the one who should be waived. I hope they wait until the last possible moment to make whatever move they end up making. The whole thing is a joke

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i realize that, didnt think the sarcasm smiley was warranted. Though i do not think that was part of the plan, to waive him when they acquired him.

Leighton is the one who should be waived. I hope they wait until the last possible moment to make whatever move they end up making. The whole thing is a joke
I was being sarcastic too. The Lappy press conference is one of the biggest jokes I've ever witnessed.

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12-13-2010, 12:50 PM
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I was being sarcastic too. The Lappy press conference is one of the biggest jokes I've ever witnessed.
by keeping leighton just throws a wrench into many possible problems down the line. Keep what you have going. They waive walker you know full well they will end up wasting an asset for depth dman come the deadline. Keep the 8 d. If something happens that youy need to make a move for a goalie then so be it as leighton or boucher are nto goign to win you a cup anyway.

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by keeping leighton just throws a wrench into many possible problems down the line. Keep what you have going. They waive walker you know full well they will end up wasting an asset for depth dman come the deadline. Keep the 8 d. If something happens that youy need to make a move for a goalie then so be it as leighton or boucher are nto goign to win you a cup anyway.
Assuming we dump one of the goalies (likely at some point), we have some wiggle room assuming Lappy doesn't make a sudden comeback.

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Assuming we dump one of the goalies (likely at some point), we have some wiggle room assuming Lappy doesn't make a sudden comeback.
Yes at some point they get rid of a goalie. However to waive walker now, just to accommodate another goalie is dumb imo. Especially when you know one will be gone anyway. I can see Carcillo being the odd man out rather easily. Which is a little earlier than anticipated. This is where Shooter panics imo and will end up doing something that will hurt down the line.

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by keeping leighton just throws a wrench into many possible problems down the line. Keep what you have going. They waive walker you know full well they will end up wasting an asset for depth dman come the deadline. Keep the 8 d. If something happens that youy need to make a move for a goalie then so be it as leighton or boucher are nto goign to win you a cup anyway.
You seem to forget Leighton saved our season last year when Emery wen't down. When Leighton wen't down Boucher almost gave it right back. We needed a shootout to make it in. And now you want to go with Boucher/Bob? I would be much more comfortable with Leighton/Bobrovsky/Boucher and 7-d then Bob/Boucher with 8 d.

And on Walker, I think if he didn't get hurt he would have played to see if he fit to start the year. However, since he did get hurt and hasn't gotten the opportunity and now we need the money, he will be sent down.

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You seem to forget Leighton saved our season last year when Emery wen't down. When Leighton wen't down Boucher almost gave it right back. We needed a shootout to make it in. And now you want to go with Boucher/Bob? I would be much more comfortable with Leighton/Bobrovsky/Boucher and 7-d then Bob/Boucher with 8 d.

And on Walker, I think if he didn't get hurt he would have played to see if he fit to start the year. However, since he did get hurt and hasn't gotten the opportunity and now we need the money, he will be sent down.
I love criticizing Boucher after he barely played after XMAS and then played great in the Devils series.

Also, Walker never would have cracked this team's top 6. He would have played in Bartulis' place potentially, but that's it.

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You seem to forget Leighton saved our season last year when Emery wen't down. When Leighton wen't down Boucher almost gave it right back. We needed a shootout to make it in. And now you want to go with Boucher/Bob? I would be much more comfortable with Leighton/Bobrovsky/Boucher and 7-d then Bob/Boucher with 8 d.

And on Walker, I think if he didn't get hurt he would have played to see if he fit to start the year. However, since he did get hurt and hasn't gotten the opportunity and now we need the money, he will be sent down.
Yeah well that was last year and he showed his true colors in the finals. Which is no fault of his own as that has been the kind of journeyman goalie he has been his whole career. Just not good enough. They are not going to win any cup with boucher or Leighton as your starter regardless. So having both of them is a waste. They will go as far as the rushkie takes them. If he falters between now and the trade deadline then I hope they go after another goalie. The way this team is built you need the depth on d.

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12-13-2010, 01:35 PM
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Taken from MSE's Injury Report thread:

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The Flyers are trying to trade Zherdev.

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12-13-2010, 01:39 PM
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The deal with Carter/Giroux is simple -- Giroux is the one having the puck. This is not going to work with Zherdev -- he has to be the man. And, if you want him to be outstanding, you have to let him play his game -- it always work like this with talented people. If you want to try to get a talented person to be something he isn't, then don't be surprized he is below average.
Should we consult Habs-era Kovalev about this?

It doesn't take any brains to figure out Zherdev hasn't changed since before KHL. That was the gamble, that he would come back willing to do the thing you need to do to be in the NHL. He hasn't, that's why he signed to the KHL in the first place.

On some teams he would work, on ours he doesn't. Championship teams stick to their game, and play withing the coach's style. If the style is good (which Lavy's is) they will win games. When you have someone like Zherdev come in and fail to conform to that style (be it whatever reasons) it really hinders your team more than progresses it. And yes, even for talented players.

Remember Kovy when we faced Devils last year? He hindered his team because he didn't play the Devils style.

This has everything to do with Flyers thought they could train Zherdev to buy into the team, and he doesn't do it often enough to make it worthwhile keeping him.

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12-13-2010, 02:27 PM
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How many goals did this super star have in his playoff appearance with the Skirts? I cannot believe the naive mentality that Zherdev will be fresh. Unless he is going to meet the Wizard of Oz to get a new heart I think he will match his career playoff high.
Guess you dont get what I meant by fresh. I mean not tired ... as in, not tired cuz he isnt getting many minutes in the POs.

And who cares how many he scores in the POs with Rags? Were Rags as stacked as Philly? Was he surrounded by as much star talent as here?

Not to mention, my whole argument is that he will NOT score many goals in the POs.

Philly is stacjed. They have many players who'll score lots in the POs. They dont need Z to scpore lots, thye just need him to score a few key ones.


He will score a few at key moments.

Like when Flyers are tied 2-2 in a Game 7 third OT, and everyone is tired cuz they've played 5 periods .. xcept Z who is not tired at all cuz he's been benched most of the game...

So Z only scores one goal all POs. Which is fine cuz it's a key goal that wins a series for them.

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Guess you dont get what I meant by fresh. I mean not tired ... as in, not tired cuz he isnt getting many minutes in the POs.

And who cares how many he scores in the POs with Rags? Were Rags as stacked as Philly? Was he surrounded by as much star talent as here?

Not to mention, my whole argument is that he will NOT score many goals in the POs.

Philly is stacjed. They have many players who'll score lots in the POs. They dont need Z to scpore lots, thye just need him to score a few key ones.


He will score a few at key moments.

Like when Flyers are tied 2-2 in a Game 7 third OT, and everyone is tired cuz they've played 5 periods .. xcept Z who is not tired at all cuz he's been benched most of the game...

So Z only scores one goal all POs. Which is fine cuz it's a key goal that wins a series for them.
that's horrible logic

I wonder if he asked for a trade

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Should we consult Habs-era Kovalev about this?

It doesn't take any brains to figure out Zherdev hasn't changed since before KHL. That was the gamble, that he would come back willing to do the thing you need to do to be in the NHL. He hasn't, that's why he signed to the KHL in the first place.

On some teams he would work, on ours he doesn't. Championship teams stick to their game, and play withing the coach's style. If the style is good (which Lavy's is) they will win games. When you have someone like Zherdev come in and fail to conform to that style (be it whatever reasons) it really hinders your team more than progresses it. And yes, even for talented players.

Remember Kovy when we faced Devils last year? He hindered his team because he didn't play the Devils style.

This has everything to do with Flyers thought they could train Zherdev to buy into the team, and he doesn't do it often enough to make it worthwhile keeping him.
Kovy dragged down Devils cuz Devils didnt have much talent other than him. He is the highest paid on that team and is relied upon heavily, unlike Flyers who only pay Z two mil and use him on a 4th line.

You can say the same about another 'enigmatic Russian' <Kovalev>..... lol do they grow on trees over there....... and his influence on the Habs and even the Sens today. Yeah Kovalev can have a bad influence on those teams .. cuz he makes a lot more than two million and is not surrounded by nine forwards who're ahead of him in the depth chart.

Are you suggesting that Z's play will encourage other forwards to play just like him and drag down the team? A bad influence? .. a rotten apple who'll corrupt the whole barrel?

Really? A two million dollar player who gets a few minutes a game on a 4th line will have that much influence?

I doubt it.

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12-13-2010, 02:41 PM
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Guess you dont get what I meant by fresh. I mean not tired ... as in, not tired cuz he isnt getting many minutes in the POs.

And who cares how many he scores in the POs with Rags? Were Rags as stacked as Philly? Was he surrounded by as much star talent as here?

Not to mention, my whole argument is that he will NOT score many goals in the POs.

Philly is stacjed. They have many players who'll score lots in the POs. They dont need Z to scpore lots, thye just need him to score a few key ones.


He will score a few at key moments.

Like when Flyers are tied 2-2 in a Game 7 third OT, and everyone is tired cuz they've played 5 periods .. xcept Z who is not tired at all cuz he's been benched most of the game...

So Z only scores one goal all POs. Which is fine cuz it's a key goal that wins a series for them.
As your best player on a team in a seven game series you would expect that the end result would not have the best player getting shutout on the scoreboard. And game 7 in a 3OT game is the time for Zherdev to show up CUZ he is rested..........it is because......BECAUSE!

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Trade him for a defensively responsible player like Clutterbuck

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Trade him for a defensively responsible player like Clutterbuck
Supposedly they have been shopping him but no takers...hmmmmmm, wonder why, wouldn;t everyone want a 25-30 goal guy who has bought into being a more defensively focused player?

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The Flyers are trying to trade Zherdev.
What would you want from Buffalo? They tried to sign him in the offseason. I'd love to trade for him now!

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For those saying noboby will take him cause he sucks. Think again, noboby who wants him has the money (like us) and noboby with money wants him cause they are re-building and not brining in a UFA at the end of the year. There are limited players in the trade game these days.

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Supposedly they have been shopping him but no takers...
Source please?

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Efforts to move Nikolay Zherdev in a trade have not panned out

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That one? A "russian mafiozi" who said Z was responsible for Kovalchuck's breakaway?

LOL.

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