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12-11-2010, 07:40 AM
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You don't sign a ufa to trade him afterwards unless you're playing a video game. That'd be bush league.
Whatever that's not the point. Markov's knee is done. Point was to use cap for some else.

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12-11-2010, 08:14 AM
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Whatever that's not the point. Markov's knee is done. Point was to use cap for some else.
Why would his knee be done, he's getting ACL replacement, same as last time, brand new liagment. This happens all the time. Look at NFL guys like Frank Gore and Willius McGehee who had injuries like taht in college but were still high picks and very good NFL players at the toughest position(RB).

My only concern is that he should wear a brace to avoid re injury, I don't think he had one this time or it would have been much less serious.

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12-11-2010, 08:15 AM
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Its been pretty evident that the Habs are just as successful with Markov as they are without him. So do we really need to keep a player that has been injured 3 times in less then 2 years? That is on the decline of his career.

I'd sign and trade him. For who I don't know yet.
That would be a bush league move on a lot of levels. Bad idea.

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12-11-2010, 11:17 AM
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I think this is an opportunity for ownership to really show the fanbase they are willing to pay for a winning team.

I would offer Markov a 5 year $20 Million dollar deal, which I think given his current position he signs in a heartbeat. Now, if he stays healthy and regains even 80% of his form The Canadiens have a steal. However, if he is on again off again with injuries the Habs can use the LTI Cap exception when applicable and replace his salary.

To me this is WIN, WIN, WIN.
1) You show loyalty to an injured soldier which only improves the rep of the organization.
2) The potential is there for you to have a $7 million d-man locked up at $4 million per season.
3) If he doesn't recover from the injuries as expected, you can navigate the cap as illustrated above.
4) The excess dollars can be spent in other areas to upgrade the team.

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12-11-2010, 01:40 PM
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Andrei Kostitsyn (4,000) - Tomas Plekanec (5,000) - Brian Gionta (5,000)
Max Pacioretty (0,900) - Brad Richards (6,250) - Micheal Cammalleri (6,000)
Benoit Pouliot (2,000) - Lars Eller (1,300) - Mathieu Darche (0,500)
Travis Moen (1,500) - Jeff Halpern (0,900) - Maxim Lapierre (0,900)
Tom Pyatt (0,500)

Andrei Markov (5,000) - Josh Gorges (3,000)
Tomas Kaberle (5,000) - PK Subban (0,900)
Roman Hamrlik (3,000) - Jaroslav Spacek (3,833)
Alexandre Picard (0,600)

Carey Price (2,750)
Karri Ramo (0,900)

Buy-out Gomez = 1,944 M

Salary cap : 61,677 M

That D is scary lol
Switch Cammalleri and Kostitsyn. And Gill will be re-signed.

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12-11-2010, 01:45 PM
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Switch Cammalleri and Kostitsyn. And Gill will be re-signed.
Not if Markov and Hammer re-sign. And no freackin way we give 5 mil to Markov...

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12-11-2010, 02:18 PM
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We have such great depth now, we could ice a decent team next year letting Markov and Hammer walk, while resigning Kosty and Halpern...

Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammalleri
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Pouliot-Eller-Palushaj
Lapierre-Halpern-White

Gill-Gorges
Picard-Subban
Weber-Spacek

Price
Rammo

However looking at that lineup, first pairing defence is very weak, and Palushaj might be better served as a callup rather than just handed a spot. Therefore I would try to sign a solid/veteran scoring line winger to play with Eller/Pou, and then spend some dough on D. I think there is potential to sign Markov to a clever contract. Something like 1 year 5 million, with team options for 2 additional years. As well, a rugged offensive Dman which there are plenty available (Jovo, Brewer, Bieksa etc) Making a play for Semin is defintely an option...

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12-11-2010, 02:25 PM
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We have such great depth now, we could ice a decent team next year letting Markov and Hammer walk, while resigning Kosty and Halpern...

Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammalleri
Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Pouliot-Eller-Palushaj
Lapierre-Halpern-White

Gill-Gorges
Picard-Subban
Weber-Spacek

Price
Rammo

However looking at that lineup, first pairing defence is very weak, and Palushaj might be better served as a callup rather than just handed a spot. Therefore I would try to sign a solid/veteran scoring line winger to play with Eller/Pou, and then spend some dough on D. I think there is potential to sign Markov to a clever contract. Something like 1 year 5 million, with team options for 2 additional years. As well, a rugged offensive Dman which there are plenty available (Jovo, Brewer, Bieksa etc) Making a play for Semin is defintely an option...
Not that it's the point of your post, but I could live with your forwards IF we sign a solid D with that ton of cap space your line-up gives us.

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12-11-2010, 04:41 PM
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Everytime I try to imagine next year's line up, I can't stop thinking about our D... I know it's good to have a lot of good D's, but still...

I would really like to keep Hamrlik and Gill, but I guess we would have to see at least one go. Now the question to me is: what to do with Weber? Should we keep him or try to package him with other good things to try to land a good Top 6 forward?

This season isn't even half finished, and I'm already excited about next season...

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12-12-2010, 07:25 PM
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Silly Question?! Just wondering (quite curious) about how insurance works in the NHL...?

When Markov is injured for a long time...the insurance company covers (for example) 80%-90% of his 5,75mil/year salary?

(or do Habs pay most or all of his salary even if he is injured...??).




Thanks in advance for any info on this...
(I guess I should put this in the ''Markov injured'' thread!).

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12-12-2010, 10:11 PM
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Carey and Karri in nets, hehe... ahhh I find it funny. WHATEVERRRR!

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12-12-2010, 10:41 PM
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They better resign Halpern...
Why would you want the team to resign Halpern. Maybe they would offer him a contact and he might re-sign, but to force him to resign, pretty mean!

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12-12-2010, 10:50 PM
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Re-sign : darche , harlpen, gill and hamrlik

AK-PLekanec-Cam
Paccioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Pouliot-Eller-Darche
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12-12-2010, 10:51 PM
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for real. There is like zero risk in re-signing markov. Either he plays and all is well, or he's on LTIR in the biggest hockey market in the world with rich owners who wouldnt cry rivers over 5 millie on a guy who may neverplay, but can be a game changer when he does. 5 million is worth it for the prospect of having him in the lineup. And if not, molsons can spend 5 on someone available without missing their car payments. Its not even a gamble. At worst, a potential waste of personal funds but with no cap issues. Cap is the only thing he have to worry about in this city.

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12-13-2010, 08:32 AM
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I think there is "risk" to signing Markov. And that is how much money does a GM want to risk knowing that also in the lineup you need to have components to compensate for his qualities should he go down again.

It's been a progression for the last few years. In 2008 - 2009 season the Habs' were ill prepared to compensate for Markov.

The Habs seemed better prepared last year but some of the D was worn down by playoff time because of a heavy workload early in the season. And kudos should be given to the D that got the Habs through the season.

Move forward to this year. The Habs are in the same boat and IMO need another top 4 d-man whether Spacek is out or not.

I guess I'm okay with re-signing Markov provided I still have money to spend on other components should he go down. LTIR is a nice thing and is a safey net somewhat but it doesn't magically produce a d-man without necessarily overpaying to get what is needed.

Another thing that concerms me is how many minutes will Markov be able to play? And suppose another d-man goes down long term? Will Markov be able to withstand a heavier workload? I mean the guy has played very little hockey now in the last two years. And to not have him for the playoffs gets discouraging. Three years now he has not been available for a full playoff run.

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12-13-2010, 11:10 AM
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Cammalleri(6.0) - Plekanec(5.0) - AK(3.75)
Patches (0.95) - Gomez(7.3) - Gionta(5.0)
Pouliot(1.5) - Eller(1.2) - Lapierre(0.9)
Moen(1.5) - Halpern(0.85) - White(0.8)
Darche(0.8)

35.5M

Yemelin(0.9) - Subban(0.875)
Markov(5.5) - Gorges (3)
Hamrlik(3) - Weber(0.85)
Picard(0.75)

14.875M

Price(2.75)
Smith(1.5)

4.25M

Grand total = 54.625M

Yemelin @ 0.9 because of EL contract.

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12-13-2010, 11:17 AM
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Cammalleri(6.0) - Plekanec(5.0) - AK(3.75)
Patches (0.95) - Gomez(7.3) - Gionta(5.0)
Pouliot(1.5) - Eller(1.2) - Lapierre(0.9)
Moen(1.5) - Halpern(0.85) - White(0.8)
Darche(0.8)

35.5M

Yemelin(0.9) - Subban(0.875)
Markov(5.5) - Gorges (3)
Hamrlik(3) - Weber(0.85)
Picard(0.75)

14.875M

Price(2.75)
Smith(1.5)

4.25M

Grand total = 54.625M

Yemelin @ 0.9 because of EL contract.
Pretty good line-up considering it would give us ~5.5 mil of cap space..

Is Emelin really looking THAT good this year?

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12-13-2010, 11:38 AM
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Up front, Upshall would be a great fit IMO. Pacioretty and White should also make the team next year.

I would take the remaining cap space to upgrade our D core. Making a play for Kaberle would make a lot of sense.

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12-13-2010, 12:52 PM
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Pretty good line-up considering it would give us ~5.5 mil of cap space..

Is Emelin really looking THAT good this year?
I don't know if anyone could confirm/deny but I think he plays a similar game to Robyn Regehr. He is the best complement to Subban within the organisation.

And BTW this line-up is really, imo. Sure Pyatt and Gill are gone and both players plays a big part on the PK but Emelin is defensive D. Maybe he's not gonna do the squid like Gill, but that's up to Tinordi

If you want my 0.02$ with the PK lines it would be those :

Plekanec - White
Emelin - Subban

Halpern - Moen
Markov - Gorges

Gomez - Gionta
Emelin - Subban (Both young studs, they can double-shift )

And Engvist can take Halpern's spot in the 2012-2013 line-up.

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12-13-2010, 01:04 PM
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these are the dumbest threads ever. i mean come on. whose lineups had halpern/picard/auld/eller this time last year? nobody's lineups ever had Cammalleri/Gomez/Gionta/Spacek/Gill/Moen/Pouliot! why even give it thought?!

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12-13-2010, 01:07 PM
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these are the dumbest threads ever. i mean come on. whose lineups had halpern/picard/auld/eller this time last year? nobody's lineups ever had Cammalleri/Gomez/Gionta/Spacek/Gill/Moen/Pouliot! why even give it thought?!
They apparently enjoy it. Nothing to see here. Move along before I get the retractable baton!

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12-13-2010, 01:09 PM
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these are the dumbest threads ever. i mean come on. whose lineups had halpern/picard/auld/eller this time last year? nobody's lineups ever had Cammalleri/Gomez/Gionta/Spacek/Gill/Moen/Pouliot! why even give it thought?!
Yeah, I mean really really dumb! Man, gtfo instead of posting stupid useless ****.

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12-13-2010, 01:17 PM
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A lot of people will probably be disappointed when Emelin doesn't come over yet again.

I'd like him too, but it doesn't seem like he will.

If Markov is re-signed, I'd hope we'd go for someone like Wisnieski. A big shot, hits and can help Markov out by protecting him. Sucks defensively, but could look good with Marky.

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A lot of people will probably be disappointed when Emelin doesn't come over yet again.

I'd like him too, but it doesn't seem like he will.

If Markov is re-signed, I'd hope we'd go for someone like Wisnieski. A big shot, hits and can help Markov out by protecting him. Sucks defensively, but could look good with Marky.
Of course it's not 100% that he is coming over in America, but when he was saying he would make it, Habs had 6 defensemen under contract. If Goat calls me him saying he's gonna get top minutes + PK (which he should get) and Markov talks to him and such, chances that he does play in NA next year are WAYYY better than they were before.

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