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12-17-2010, 11:02 AM
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He's gotten better lately, but he can be a big time flopperr. Especially last year, there were times where he was more worried about faking interference then stopping the puck. I agree he gets legitimately interfered with more than some other goalies, but honestly, I think a lot of that is because teams around the league know if they bug him enough he'll start flopping and faking and staring at the refs, possibly letting in a goal in the process.
Once again this is how it gets overblown because this stuff really doesn't happen more than two or three times a year where he's bumped, falls over and a goal goes in. Or are we going to pretend he never gets bumped?

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12-17-2010, 11:05 AM
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But...they do...
Agreed. I think there's a difference between their games, though, and it comes down to how they are utilized. Kesler is the "all situations" player, be it a key defensive play or offensive play, whereas the Twins are relied upon purely for their offense.(personally, I still think AV should be using them on the PK, they've proven to be adept PKers). But nonetheless, that could be why it seems Kesler has a bigger impact on the game. But you can't ignore the fact that both the Twins are on 100-point paces and are still the offensive lifeblood of the team. Having Kesler as our No. 2 center is a hell of a luxury.

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12-17-2010, 11:07 AM
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He just keeps adding layers to his game. Much better to be hated becuase the opposition can't stop you than because you made fun of their sister. Kesler is maturing and getting better and better as a player.

I've noticed far less yapping overall from this team this season. More business-like, which is exactly what we need to do. Discipline is huge in hockey. Once you get caught up in the BS it takes you out of the game and away from the game-plan. I'm glad the organization has decided to shape up their behaviour overall. Kesler and Burrows just playing hard is enough to get under the other team's skin. Kesler will root himself far deeper in the opposition's head by out-skating and being more determined.

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12-17-2010, 11:31 AM
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Colour me a little cynical about the league's award-giving process, but positive headlines about Kesler changing his attitude, and increasing his respect quotient, may help him eventually to win the Selke.

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Agreed. I think there's a difference between their games, though, and it comes down to how they are utilized. Kesler is the "all situations" player, be it a key defensive play or offensive play, whereas the Twins are relied upon purely for their offense.(personally, I still think AV should be using them on the PK, they've proven to be adept PKers). But nonetheless, that could be why it seems Kesler has a bigger impact on the game. But you can't ignore the fact that both the Twins are on 100-point paces and are still the offensive lifeblood of the team. Having Kesler as our No. 2 center is a hell of a luxury.
Kesler also has the luxury of playing behind the Sedins at even strength and with them on the PP.

While losing either would hurt the team quite a bit, this team would be in worse shape without Henrik.

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12-17-2010, 11:57 AM
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^Agreed. So hopefully we don't lose either of them...ever.

I love what we've seen from Kesler this year. He's on a 40+ goal pace which, truthfully, I don't see him maintaining. But even when he's not hitting the scoresheet he has been just so, so good. Definitely earning the nice, shiny new contract that kicked in this year. As tempting as it must be for AV to ride him, I do hope that he remembers both Kesler and Burrows seemed to wear down by the playoffs for each of the last two seasons and measures their ice-time accordingly.

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12-17-2010, 12:09 PM
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^Agreed. So hopefully we don't lose either of them...ever.

I love what we've seen from Kesler this year. He's on a 40+ goal pace which, truthfully, I don't see him maintaining. But even when he's not hitting the scoresheet he has been just so, so good. Definitely earning the nice, shiny new contract that kicked in this year. As tempting as it must be for AV to ride him, I do hope that he remembers both Kesler and Burrows seemed to wear down by the playoffs for each of the last two seasons and measures their ice-time accordingly.
Not you, too!

Severe shoulder injuries != wearing down.

If anything, Burrows was getting better and better as the season wore on and suffered an injury. Kesler, if I recall, was injured when he was hit trying to get by one of the Kings defenders in the first round (Doughty?). These are injuries that could happen at any point in the season, regardless of how much someone plays. It's just unfortunate, sort of like the year that Bertuzzi single-handedly destroyed the Blues defense.

The Canucks already protect their forwards ice time quite a bit -- probably more than they need to, honestly. But now that they have Malhotra it's a luxury they can afford. I don't think it will reduce the occurance of shoulder injuries, however.

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12-17-2010, 01:04 PM
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I am very cynical of Kesler winning a Selke. The eastern writers dominate the voting and they don't see him play enough. I also agree with the sentiment that voters are homers for certain players and just keep voting for the same guys.

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12-17-2010, 01:13 PM
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Not you, too!

Severe shoulder injuries != wearing down.

If anything, Burrows was getting better and better as the season wore on and suffered an injury. Kesler, if I recall, was injured when he was hit trying to get by one of the Kings defenders in the first round (Doughty?). These are injuries that could happen at any point in the season, regardless of how much someone plays. It's just unfortunate, sort of like the year that Bertuzzi single-handedly destroyed the Blues defense.

The Canucks already protect their forwards ice time quite a bit -- probably more than they need to, honestly. But now that they have Malhotra it's a luxury they can afford. I don't think it will reduce the occurance of shoulder injuries, however.
My beef more or less is that I'd like to see the Twins get some more ice-time. They seem better the more they play and they could be effective PKers as well.

And you're correct that the injuries could have happened either way, but I also feel you're more susceptible(sp?) to injury when worn down or exhausted. IMO.

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12-17-2010, 01:15 PM
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I am very cynical of Kesler winning a Selke. The eastern writers dominate the voting and they don't see him play enough. I also agree with the sentiment that voters are homers for certain players and just keep voting for the same guys.
I'm equally cynical about the voting process and I think that the fact that Kesler is second all the time means that the minute Datsyuk has a bad year again, Kesler will probably win it regardless of if there's someone else more deserving.

It's going to be tough waiting for Datsyuk to have an off-year though.

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My beef more or less is that I'd like to see the Twins get some more ice-time. They seem better the more they play and they could be effective PKers as well.

And you're correct that the injuries could have happened either way, but I also feel you're more susceptible(sp?) to injury when worn down or exhausted. IMO.
I also think the Twins should be seeing 21:00 or 22:00 minutes a night, as top players on other teams do, but now that the Canucks have Malhotra it doesn't seem like as much of a necessity.

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I never thought Kesler would become the player he is today. I remember people saying how he was the next Linden for this team. Well, he is now. He is the true captain of this team.

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12-17-2010, 02:52 PM
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I never thought Kesler would become the player he is today. I remember people saying how he was the next Linden for this team. Well, he is now. He is the true captain of this team.
RJ Umberger was also touted as the next Trevor Linden when drafted - how did that work out?

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12-17-2010, 02:59 PM
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Jason Botchford has an article on Kesler in today's Vancouver Province - it is all about vastly exceeding expectations. Kesler also talks about shutting up on the ice and just getting on with the game.
A few years ago, there was a school of thought Ryan Kesler was never going to make it so you could read a story about him without mention of Bobby Clarke's infamous, predatory offer sheet.

Another school of thought was Kesler would never make it, period. Not like this; not like the way he's played this season, a minotaur-on-skates one who hasn't seemed to need linemates for the past couple of weeks. Heck, with the way he's playing, he may not need teammates.
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His shot is vastly improved. So are other areas of his game. Good thing, because he's making $5 million now. Again people said it was an overpayment, and again he is proving people wrong.

Point is, Kesler has been unrelenting in his pursuit to be a better player, and that hard work has burned off the fog which covered his offensive skills.

(And Kesler's take on his changed game this season?)

"I know they want me to be a better leader, a better player every year," Kesler said. "That was a big step for me to leave that part of my game behind. So far it's worked.

"The biggest reason I changed, I was hurting the team. My play wasn't where it needed to be. You almost grow out of that stuff. I came into this league being a defensive specialist who got under guys' skin.

"For me to continue playing, I think I just grew out of it."
http://www.theprovince.com/Kesler+ev...#ixzz18P9BaEoi

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RJ Umberger was also touted as the next Trevor Linden when drafted - how did that work out?
It was Crawford who compared both Umberger and Kesler to Linden, although he also likened Umberger to Deadmarsh which I think may have been a more apt comparison.

Umberger's no Linden, but having him on this team sure would have been nice. He's developed into a solid two-way player. However, given his and Kesler's feud started in OSU before Kesler was even drafted, it likely never would have worked out. They both had huge egos as younger players, somewhat subsided now, but nonetheless.

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12-17-2010, 03:14 PM
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Kesler > Linden.

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Kesler > Linden.
let me guess, you are under the age of 25?

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let me guess, you are under the age of 25?
Nope. Kesler's regular season last year was better than any regular season Trevor Linden ever had if you adjust for the different eras. He's a faster skater than Trevor and better defensively. He also seems to be turning into a better goal scorer, all while playing on the second line.

Don't get me wrong, Trevor was a great player for the Canucks and had one glorious playoff run, but I feel pretty comfortable in my assertion. I just don't attach the same sentimentality to players that some might.

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Once again this is how it gets overblown because this stuff really doesn't happen more than two or three times a year where he's bumped, falls over and a goal goes in. Or are we going to pretend he never gets bumped?
You should re-read my post. Did I say he doesn't get bumped? Nope, in fact I said I think he gets interfered with more than other goalies, because players know how he'll react. And it's how he reacts to this interference that has been a problem, especially in past seasons. He's gotten much better though, thankfully.

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Oh goodness, not the dreaded "adjust stats for different eras" argument.

Kesler has a long way to go before I put him on the same pedestal as Linden. He has the potential to be a better hockey player, for sure--two Selke nominations already in his career is a great feat. But he needs to help lead this team to something meaningful and even then, Linden transcended his role on the ice, something Kesler hasn't done yet.

Love them both, though. Probably my two favorite Canucks of all time.

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Oh goodness, not the dreaded "adjust stats for different eras" argument.

Kesler has a long way to go before I put him on the same pedestal as Linden. He has the potential to be a better hockey player, for sure--two Selke nominations already in his career is a great feat. But he needs to help lead this team to something meaningful and even then, Linden transcended his role on the ice, something Kesler hasn't done yet.

Love them both, though. Probably my two favorite Canucks of all time.
So you think Linden's career best 80 points when the top scorer in the league had 160+ points and the 10th leading scorer has 107 points should be valued as the same as Kesler's 75 points last season? I certainly don't, but I'm open to any argument that would suggest Linden ever had a regular season as good as Kesler's regular season last year.

Anyway, as I said, this isn't about sentimental value to me. I'm simply talking about as a player. I think Kesler is better now and I think in three years it won't even be a question up for debate. I think it's only a matter of time before Kesler starts to show up near the top end of those "Top 50 players in hockey" lists.

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Perhaps not but I consider Linden willing the team to victory at points during 1994 to be quite something.

I'm hoping this is something Kesler will exceed even Linden at eventually but for now Linden has a special place as a Canuck.

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Perhaps not but I consider Linden willing the team to victory at points during 1994 to be quite something.

I'm hoping this is something Kesler will exceed even Linden at eventually but for now Linden has a special place as a Canuck.
Fair enough.

Consider my comments to be me pumping Kesler's tires, not deflating Linden's.

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I love Linden to death but kind of agree with Proto here. I think maybe we (as Canucks fans) remember Linden for 1994 rather than for the whole of his career. He was incredible in 1994, but that was never really repeated.

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I've never heard of this Less Chirping is. Is he on the payroll? Maybe he should work with Samuelsson as well...

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