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12-19-2010, 07:59 AM
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I think the bold nails it.

And if he won't change his game,then he has to change his sweater.
i dont think shooting is the issue with Bergie, Rammer spent a good deal of time in the presser talking about taking shots, getting the puck to the net...so i dont think thats the issue...Coach wants all of his players to work hard at the overall game...checkers score, scorers check..Bergie, while maybe he 'tries' hard, just isnt a very good battler, add that to his defensive shortcomings and i can see why Rammer doesnt see a 'fit' here.

and i'd say the reason they only had 24 shots is because of the lead they had.

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12-19-2010, 09:45 AM
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[QUOTE=AtlantaSportsFan;29659880]I want Filatov. Throw in like Klingberg too, we wouldn't need him.

Bergfors + Klingberg for Filatov.[Quote]



You were in lust for Filatov since before his draft year. He is the perfect KHL freeloader. He sucks as an NHL'er. He has 2 goals in his last 36 NHL games. Yippee. Give me more of that, please. In fact, we had that with Brett Sterling.

I'd rather take a flyer on Blake Wheeler than Filatov.

I actually don't mind Modin with Burmistrov. Give them time to reaquaint. He had 4 goals early on with him. Then he went out hurt. I know he's long-term useless, but until the trade deadline or something else can get done with Bergfors, I'd rather have Modin out there instead of Eager.

Stapleton is the speedy wing that will work a 2-way game with Burmi eventually. Stewart started slowly too and has fit right in. Same will be with Stapleton. He's smart.

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12-19-2010, 09:55 AM
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Oh my god...I want Iggy here now. Even though it will never happen.
It was rumored to have almost happened prior to Heatley getting traded to Ottawa, but a deal couldn't be reached.

I would I be correct in guessing that the only real options the Thrashers have in regards to Bergfors are to trade him or to continue to scratch him, as they cannot send him to the Wolves without risking him being picked up on a waiver claim (I know the Preds hated losing Peverley in that manner.)?

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Would be interesting to watch the Wolves and see if Cormier is playing any at the wing. That's my guess for the future this season at least until the trade deadline....

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12-19-2010, 11:09 AM
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A note to consider for all prospective trade proposals. Nic Bergfors is only 23, under team control for many years, and scored over 20 goals between NJ and ATL last season.

Please keep your overaged, pending UFAs, and grinders to yourself. If I see one more Pascal Dupuis for Bergfors proposals I'll puke.

If you want Bergfors you're going to have to pony up value.

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12-19-2010, 11:20 AM
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i actually think Dupuis would be a nice piece on this team, i'd love to see him with Burmi and think he's an ideal fit for Rammers system

they could always re-sign him, its not like Pascal will break the bank, and he was well liked here the 1st time around.

theyre all just proposals anyways...thinking they could get a Staal type is ridiculous though, i kinda think Bergie is overrated around here...he's more MacArthur/Wheeler than he is Hornqvist/Dubinsky as far as impacts go imo.

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I'm not talking about Dupuis from a system standpoint. I'm talking about asset management. You have a kid thats already put up 20 and under team control for 4 years and you'll give that away for a guy that will be unrestricted at the end of the year?

We're not a Pascal Dupuis away from winning the Cup. If you're going to give away a young piece you better get comparable back.

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I still say try to get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

I wonder, could we get something from Detroit's farm for him?
I'm not sure I'd want Staal from Pittsburgh after all his injury trouble this year.

Would like to know our record with Bergfors in the lineup.....so what that he has 17 points? did the matter? We had a guy that scored 300 goals with us and that didn't work out.

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12-19-2010, 11:52 AM
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I still say try to get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

I wonder, could we get something from Detroit's farm for him?
I'm not sure I'd want Staal from Pittsburgh after all his injury trouble this year.

Would like to know our record with Bergfors in the lineup.....so what that he has 17 points? did the matter? We had a guy that scored 300 goals with us and that didn't work out.
I bet we could get Tatar from the Wings for him.

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There are a couple of interesting thoughts about Bergie being for sale to the highest bidder.

1) I understand that no one wants a free agent to be brought in, but we have the cap space to absorb one right now.

2) Any player brought in has to fit the system and style that Ramsey has implemented. Kane is not great defensively but he hits and fights for pucks in the corner. Little doesn't fight for pucks in the corner as much, but he will hit and is sound defensively. Seeing a pattern?

3) I think that Cormier, Klingberg, and possibly Machacek will all make the team next year. I think Eager and Modin are gone after this year. And while I am not a big fan of this move, both Bolton and Thorburn are UFA after this season and I think the team resigns Thorburn before Bolts. Bolts maybe kept up in the press box, but I think the team may also be leery about bringing anyone in who may block one of the youngsters next season.

4) Adding a Lagenbrunner type to help this team in the playoffs is a needed move. I am not saying we will get him, but I could see Bergie being moved for a veteran and a pick before being moved for a younger player.

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I bet we could get Tatar from the Wings for him.
That would be awesome in Atlanta! We could nickname him "Tatar Salad"

Ron White reference....

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i agree with most of that Shameus..a system fit vet + pick isnt a bad thing

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i agree with most of that Shameus..a system fit vet + pick isnt a bad thing
+2

Playoffs NOW.

It won't set the franchise back like the Coburn move because we have our stock of youth.

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Dupuis... BLOWS.
Wheeler... BLOWS.
Boyes... BLOWS.

Give me Filatov. A 40 goal potential. Steal of the century. Won't happen though we would prob have to add Bogosian + prospects and picks.

Therefore I'd try to get Wolski or someone else that could benefit with a change of scenery and turn into a top notch goal scorer. I'd also consider Mihalek. He's 6'2 225, he should "fit" the system.

Sorry, i want nothing to do with old retirement home vets that should be watching from home or playing in the khl old man league. There are no vets avail that are good anyway.


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*You want Filitov who has 13 career points in his career over 3 seasons.
*Who averages under 10 mins a game in his career.
*Who just got sent down the the AHL again.
*Who has not earned playing time under 2 different coaches.
*And has never played 50 games in any league or leagues combined in any professional year.
*And has a reported attitude problem or at least his "handlers" don't leave a good taste in people's mouths.

I don't see Dudley or Ramsey signing off on adding him to this roster.
Who's place is he going to take in the Top 6? Stewart and his 20 pts? Antro? Little? Flitov is not a grinder, he can not handle bottom 6 duties and plays less of the style that Ramsey likes than Bergie does. You can pine for this all you want, but I'll bet you your avatars he'll never plays or is considered for this franchise.

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Considering he's now ended up in the doghouse for two different teams already, I don't see us getting a huge return. I think we would need to package him with a pick and/or a prospect for a top-6.

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12-19-2010, 05:21 PM
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i think a trade for a player that has had success in past and has struggled like Setoguchi or Boyes would be best

keep the team young and get a big upside. personally i would shoot for Setoguchi

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I see a deal similar to the one that sent Ladd away from the Canes, Ladd for Tuomo Ruutu was a maligned young forward for maligned young forward deal.

I would love to get Blake Comeau from the Islanders. He seems like a Dudley/Ramsay kind of player.

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Would love Versteeg too.

Am also a fan of Dave Bollard. He hasn't had a great season thus far but was a beast in the playoffs. Still young too.
Bolland and Ladd are a deadly combo. Smart 2-way players, can play skilled or nasty. Ask the Sedins, Thornton and Marleau. Hawks will not do this deal.

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I guess this is the Bergfors thread?

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-thrashe...althy-scratch/

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Bergfors said Thrashers coaches have not told him the reason he has been out of the lineup.

“They haven’t said anything,” Bergfors said. “I know I haven’t played my best hockey. I’m trying to focus to do my best and do the small details and everything that will help the team win the game. That’s what I’m trying to accomplish my next chance.”
Interesting

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I guess this is the Bergfors thread?

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-thrashe...althy-scratch/



Interesting
Perhaps the kid needs tough love to grasp the system?

Before anyone says anything contrary to this, Bergfors has NOT really been playing the system. He goes through the motions on the ice, but he's not passionate about it, like the other guys are.

Don't believe me? Why else would you sit a productive player like him? He's either getting moved, or getting sent a message. We can ill afford a weak link to get in the way of progress, even if that weak link is productive on-ice.

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doesn't pass the sniff test. This coaching staff appears very interactive on the bench as well as in the press. I find it pretty illogical that if this staff has a problem with a player that they have not let this be known.

That said. Ramsay has not directly come clean on the Bergfors "situation" in the media. Bergfors' statement, along with Ramsay's eluding the question in pressers, may be their way of keeping family business in house......which I have no problem with.

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nothing happens until the 27th. Holiday trade freeze is underway.

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doesn't pass the sniff test. This coaching staff appears very interactive on the bench as well as in the press. I find it pretty illogical that if this staff has a problem with a player that they have not let this be known.

That said. Ramsay has not directly come clean on the Bergfors "situation" in the media. Bergfors' statement, along with Ramsay's eluding the question in pressers, may be their way of keeping family business in house......which I have no problem with.
That's part of what I'm alluding to.

But the other part is his execution of the system. Go back and watch him play in those games prior. You'll see what I mean.

I love the kid, and think he has great potential, but I honestly believe he's not "getting it." Hence why he's sitting.

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