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12-23-2010, 01:59 PM
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Lets be optimist.


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12-23-2010, 02:00 PM
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Subban out again!?

I know Martin has always been credited for the development of Hossa,Havlat,ect, but he is a long time separated from such developments and is in a new NHL altogether. This is unacceptable.

...I wanted Bob Hartley instead of Martin when he was hired. Humourous? yes? but he wouldn't have done this bad of a job with PK.

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12-23-2010, 02:07 PM
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Pyloncard playing over Subban is terrible

4-2 Habs

Kostitsyn
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12-23-2010, 02:09 PM
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so is Subban hurt or a healthy scratch?
I havent heard or read anything either way
I know he was looking at his hand after his brawl the other night...

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12-23-2010, 02:12 PM
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Just win... 1-0 or 8-6 i don't care. Need 2 points.

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12-23-2010, 02:14 PM
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so is Subban hurt or a healthy scratch?
I havent heard or read anything either way
I know he was looking at his hand after his brawl the other night...
Healthy scratch according to RDS.

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12-23-2010, 02:15 PM
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What did he say? Link?
He commented on how it's easier to play with the same line mates rather than being switched around all the time

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12-23-2010, 02:15 PM
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In my opinion, Picard should sit so that both Weber and Subban could play. No need for rookies to ride the pine and not learn from experience. Play PK with Hamrlik and Weber with Spaceman. Gill and Gorges would stay intact. If the game is close, simply put Hamr and Spaceman together to protect a lead. Lastly, you do not place rookies with players like Picard. It is a recipe for disaster.
I agree, but even Hamrlik-Subban, Gorges-Spacek and Gill-Weber would work as all three Dmen needing a dependable Dman would have one backing them as Spacek needs that too.

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12-23-2010, 02:15 PM
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Healthy scratch according to RDS.
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12-23-2010, 02:17 PM
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Scratching Subban over Picard is a strange move. Same for Pouliot over Pyatt.

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12-23-2010, 02:24 PM
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The stubborn decision to keep the teachers pet Picard in the lineup as if he was not a big part of the habs losing streak and blaming it on crucial parts of the team through the symbolic cutting of Subban and A.K. will have to be answered for if the habs lose tonight. Molson won't allow his future golden prospects like Subban, Pouliot, Kostitsyn, and Patches get destroyed by mismanagement and incompetence. And all because of some crummy and incompetent depth defenseman. Jeez, wake up meistro! Either someone thinks he's a genius or is going to turn out looking like a ******. Someone's playing with fire. e:


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12-23-2010, 02:25 PM
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I agree, but even Hamrlik-Subban, Gorges-Spacek and Gill-Weber would work as all three Dmen needing a dependable Dman would have one backing them as Spacek needs that too.
Exactly how I'd like to see it, having a veteran influence with a young player is a huge help. We saw how well Eller and Pouliot played when they had a veteran like Darche with them, just having someone to help keep the young guys positive after a mistake and telling them what to do the next time is important. Subban looked much better once he was paired with a steady veteran like Gill but instead he gets benched the next game instead of being kept together with him.

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12-23-2010, 02:25 PM
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Will this game be as unenjoyable as the last? Will the Habs struiggle to get as many as 2 goals? If so, it would be a worse outcome than even the losses to Dallas

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12-23-2010, 02:26 PM
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12-23-2010, 02:29 PM
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Pouliot can score? Sure didn't look like it on that beauty feed by Lapierre the other night.

Not that I want to base my entire opinion of him on that one play but he was bad the other night. I'm not surprised to see him sit. Needs to re-focus.

I will say this though. I'm not sure why JM is so hesitant to play both Subban and Weber. I'm not saying Subban's been great but he hasn't been worse than Spacek, Gorges etc in the last 3-4 games.
Pouliot is 5th on the team in goals, averaging under 12 minutes of ice time. I agree he played a poor game, but a lot of the team did. It's a double standard. It's not like Spacek or Gorges would be sat if they struggle and Subban and Weber play better.

Martin is well on his way to lose his team, if he hasn't already.

I can see Pacioretty, Pouliot, Subban, Kostitsyn, all having problems with him and that's a huge part of our team, future and present

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12-23-2010, 02:38 PM
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If we lose, uiCk does not do GDT's anymore. No offense.

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I get that JM wants to send messages and stuff but I don't think Pouliot needs a message sent and benching Subban every other game is sending the wrong message. He's going to turn into O'Byrne who was afraid to do anything wrong so he was super nervous any time he got near the puck. I know Subban has more confidence and more pure skill than O'Byrne but JM's well on his way to shattering his confidence.

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Honestly, I just want an entertaining game. It's been a while.

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JM better not screw up Pk. His track record in Montreal with young players is not good. He better get this one right.

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Why can't Martin simply put the best team on the ice?

Subban+Pouliot > Picard-Pyatt

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12-23-2010, 03:17 PM
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Why can't Martin simply put the best team on the ice?

Subban+Pouliot > Picard-Pyatt
Because then poor Weber and Subban have to be paired together 2 right handed d's. Great excuse Jacques

Put your best lineup out there

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12-23-2010, 03:21 PM
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Because then poor Weber and Subban have to be paired together 2 right handed d's. Great excuse Jacques

Put your best lineup out there
Cammy-Plek-AK
MaxPac-Gomez-Gionta
Pouliot-Eller-Lapierre
Darche-Halpern-Moen

Hamrlik-Subban
Spacek-Weber
Gill-Gorges

What's so complicated Martin?

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12-23-2010, 03:26 PM
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Cammy-Plek-AK
MaxPac-Gomez-Gionta
Pouliot-Eller-Lapierre
Darche-Halpern-Moen

Hamrlik-Subban
Spacek-Weber
Gill-Gorges

What's so complicated Martin?
He doesn't wanna split up Hammer and Spacek and doesn't both kids paired togheter Subban and Weber, big deal 2 young defensemans who could potentially be here for many years but he prefers Picard instead

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Here's my take on Martin's recent decisions:

We see that an individual isn't going to bring us out of this slump. There is one reason why we're losing: poor decisions. Poor decisions at all spots on the ice. There is essentially no connection between our forwards and defensemen. We've seen this kind of slump many times throughout the last few seasons and the truth is that without Markov, we lose our #1 guy when it comes to moving the puck up the ice.

I don't really have a problem with benching Subban/Pouliot because they're making BAD decisions lately. And that's what, IMO, Martin is trying to get the players to see. How does a guy who's supposed to be a scoring machine miss a goal like that against Dallas? It's poor decisions and poor anticipation. Martin is trying to send a message to this team that it's not a matter of poor work ethic or poor attitude, it's simply a lack of hockey smarts over the past few games.

Things Habs need to work on to get back to their winning ways:

1) Close the gap between forwards and defensemen to allow our transition game (which I think is one of the best in the league when firing on all cylinders) to rebuild
2) Play smarter in the crease and challenge players instead of frantically searching for pucks and missing out on plays
3) Drive harder to the net and make the goalie's life difficult
4) Stop with the cheesy passes out of our zone and especially stop trying to force lanes when they're not there

Pouliot and Subban are scratched for a reason: to send a big message to the team that they need to play SMARTER. I feel as if it's Martin saying "this is your punishment". I can only assume that he doesn't want to win games because Pouliot can score goals better than Pyatt. He wants to win games because every single player was focused mentally and scored goals because of thoughtful plays.

We need to force more turnovers, we need to anticipate plays better and most of all we need to close that gap in the neutral zone.

We will win tonight. They'll get the message. 4-1 Habs.

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Scratching Subban over Picard is a strange move. Same for Pouliot over Pyatt.
Nothing strange about it. The word you were looking for is DUMB move.

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