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How much blame do you give Lundqvist for the shootout loss?

View Poll Results: How much blame do you give lundqvist on the SO loss?
None -- He was great 87 66.41%
25% 25 19.08%
50% 10 7.63%
75% 3 2.29%
All of it -- He shouldn't have let 2 goals in 6 4.58%
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12-24-2010, 09:33 AM
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The two goals against Hank were direct results of our defense ******** the bed and losing their brains. I think he has had bad games this year too, but when he's on his game he's the finest there is in this league, still.

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12-24-2010, 09:34 AM
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Lundqvist was shaky at first but he was incredible once Stamkos was shooting. Shutting down Stamkos, Lecavalier, and St. Louis, who usually kills him, is no easy feat. And he was facing some real tricky shots, whereas our shooters were barely testing Ellis (way to go to the backhand, everyone).

Meanwhile, the same suspects derail the thread and make it about Rozsival when this should be a thread about Lundqvist. Will the obsession ever end?

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12-24-2010, 09:39 AM
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We had a total of 2 players score on a backup, OUT OF 11... No further questions necessary.

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12-24-2010, 09:50 AM
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He probably should have had at least one of the two goals in the shootout but what are you gonna do?

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12-24-2010, 10:12 AM
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Can't give him zero blame, but I can't vote cause 25% sounds too high...I mean he had the pressure of knowing he couldn't let a shot in round after round against a lot of quality guys. Then against a backup goalie we take a bunch of horrible attempts. Should have won that shootout. As someone said, Hank stopped St. Louis, Lecavelier, and Stamkos.

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12-24-2010, 10:15 AM
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how do you not send out callahan gaborik and prospal

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12-24-2010, 10:17 AM
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COMPLETE blame.

How DARE he is give up 2 goals in the shootout vs 11 shooters. Biron should have been put in.

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how do you not send out callahan gaborik and prospal

Cally Gabs and Vinny P? I wanted Malik in before all of them. Torts is a joke.

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12-24-2010, 11:07 AM
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No, because he is who he is.

Henrik is most vulnerable to a perfect shot in the shootout, because he is usually expecting a deke, and simply holds his ground.

The shooters that have the most success shoot for the very small holes he gives them, and very few, I mean VERY FEW shooters have been able to successfully deke him in the shootout. I could count them on one hand.

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12-24-2010, 11:09 AM
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What? I didn't ask if he's an elite goaltender or not.

I don't know how that entered the discussion.
offdacrossbar entered it into the discussion. you're not the only one here!!!

but to you, seriously...SHOULD anyone blame Lundqvist? I'll go with Boom Boom when he says "Only a fool..."

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12-24-2010, 11:15 AM
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the ability of people here to comprehend beyond knee jerk reactions is amazing. if you really read and think then you would understand what i wrote.

based upon this entire season THIS year, not just last night, is hank still an elite goaltender ?

that's the basis of my post. nothing more.
Then you shoulda stuck to just saying that cause you dragged it out and kept contradicting yourself which probably means the answer is that you're overanalyzing it and hank is fine. We are right in the battle for a 4 seed still b/c of him AND the team improving a lot from last year.

Far as the shootout I think it's foolish to completely absolve a goalie ina shootout when he gave up 2/3 to start BUT going by the rest of the SO that number should only be about 5 % or so. Gilroy was the closest to a goal but failed to get any elevation on the puck whastoever. Everyone else was just bad

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12-24-2010, 11:26 AM
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12-24-2010, 11:32 AM
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Lundqvist was shaky at first but he was incredible once Stamkos was shooting. Shutting down Stamkos, Lecavalier, and St. Louis, who usually kills him, is no easy feat. And he was facing some real tricky shots, whereas our shooters were barely testing Ellis (way to go to the backhand, everyone).

Meanwhile, the same suspects derail the thread and make it about Rozsival when this should be a thread about Lundqvist. Will the obsession ever end?
If you want to blame Hank you can but when you have 2 of your "star" dmen playing hot potato with the puck, then the question becomes do you know much about hockey and how can you possibly fault Hank for any of it...he had to face 11 shooters, included in that list, Stamkos, St. Louis, Lecavellier, Gagne and Ryan Malone...when the best Torts can do is put 3 defensemen in his 11, with Rozy being #7, when he doesnt give Avery or Fedenteko a whiff..that is what baffles me

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12-24-2010, 11:34 AM
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is this a joke?
first of all the shootout sucks

furthermore hank pushed it to 11 rounds, we had a shootout specialist a rookie and a guy playinghis first nhl game leading the way against an offensively stacked team...do the math.

There are actually people who put some of the blame on lundqvist...

our fanbase is just scary retahhhhded sometimes.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

My thoughts on this game? Very similar to that of the 3-1 loss to Columbus. Minus 2 defensive turnovers, we played a great, great game. Dubi had 2 posts -- that could have made the difference as well.

We got a point against a very competitive and solid team. We outplayed then for most of the night. When I watched the shootout, I was in awe at the firepower that the Lightning possess. So to go toe-to-toe with that fire power and last 11 rounds, I'm happy.

Torts was very impressed too and we all know how he feels about the shootout

I'll take the point, the continuing grinding play, and use that (and this loss) as a focal point against our division rivals: The NY Islanders and the NJ Devils.

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12-24-2010, 11:35 AM
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Shoot outs are anyone's game. Saying Hank shouldn't have let in the shoot out goals is like condemning him for not getting a shutout in regulation.

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12-24-2010, 11:36 AM
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it's quite simple, regardless of what happened, shootouts are crap, and there shouldn't have been a shootout at all last night, we were pretty dominant throughout the whole game, but two stupid mistakes keep us away from an extra point. that and the fact that 9 other teammates can't score a goal in the shootout. where was feds?

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12-24-2010, 11:46 AM
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Meh, he's been one of if not the best goalie in shootouts since it was instituted. Yet another thread where people overreact when Henke does something wrong. Sometimes people forget how lucky we actually are that he's even here.

BTW, anyone notice how long it took to clean the ice after OT before the shootout? That break was way longer than usual, and Henke came out with no grasp the first two shooters, coincidence?

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12-24-2010, 11:56 AM
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rozy would lead the league in assists if we counted his giveaways.

rozy is a dufus.

and this may be very unpopular to say but henrik is beggining to worry me. has he reached his peak ? have we seen the best of lundqvist?

is the off ice, non-hockey related stuff like his amazing lifestyle becoming his focus rather than hockey ? is he more about being hank then being the starting goalie for the nyr ??

hes easlily upset, shows alot of emotion and reactions on the ice, he still seems to make the same mistakes and contiunues to be prone to bad goals at bad times.

and for the first time in a long times, i dont feel hes carrying the team, in fact, i think the team has been hurt by hank a few more times than usual and thats a concern.

im beginning to wonder. I STILL BELIEVE HES ONE OF THE BEST. but....

last nights save % was .875 not very good.

3.35 gaa .889 last 2 games

14-12-1 2.47 gaa .918 for the season is just so-so

is hank no longer elite ?
Everyone here knows I would love Sather if he magically turned Rozsy into some draft picks at the deadline, but I'm concerned it won't happen....

Last nights turnover was classic, as soon a the goal went in, my wife looked at me and said-
"Rozsy giving out his christmas gifts early?"

I nearly **** my pants...


As for Hank, I'm not as concerned. I'm really thinking what we are seening this year is all part of the transition the team is making from defense first to sustained pressure. I feel like alot of the shots Hank used to face were lower quality and from the angles. People seem to be getting alot better scoring chances now that our team isn't as tight in the backend (that sounds bad).
Granted he's let in alot of softies from bad angles this year, It really may be a function of the pretty poor defensive play in front of him that doesn't have him as confident. He's let in a bunch of lousy goals, but he's also being hung out to dry and aweful lot. Staal at times, Girardi at times, Rozsival, Del Zotto have all been worse than in years past defensively this year. Eminger and Sauer are by no means mistake free either. I'm not trying to blame the defense so much as just point out the transition that these guys are trying to make to contribute to the offense and pressure game.
I think as Hank continues to adjust, and the defense adjusts to their blossoming two way game, he will become more like the Hank of old, but I also think its unreasonable of us all to expect the same result he used to get infront of a defense first system, to happen in a system thats more open an offensive.

Thats the way I'm seeing it, but I'm with you on the fact that he hasn't looked great this year. When i look through his game log and see all the games with a save % in the .800's its alarming, but all the 1.000 and high .900's remind me that when he gets a good team effort in front of him he's still stellar.

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henrik gave up 3 goals yesterday...1 was a tap in from right in front of the net on horribly blown coverage to a multiple time 40 goal scorer. 1 was on a horrible giveaway to the 3rd leading scorer in the NHL, and 2 was also on a horrible giveaway and a slick pass to the 2nd leading scorer in the NHL.


uhh.......what?

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The only thing that pissed me off was that ADAM HALL scored. Other than that, what the ****?

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No, because he is who he is.

Henrik is most vulnerable to a perfect shot in the shootout, because he is usually expecting a deke, and simply holds his ground.

The shooters that have the most success shoot for the very small holes he gives them, and very few, I mean VERY FEW shooters have been able to successfully deke him in the shootout. I could count them on one hand.
This. The only shots to go by him are the same kind of shots that go by him in regular play. Surprisingly quick releases that go top shelf. EVERYONE knows his weakness is up high and t's just a matter of players being able to capitalize on it. He's elite down low and side to side. His glove is weak and he is not aggressive with the poke. We know this. Is any of this his fault? It's how he plays.

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12-24-2010, 01:13 PM
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Everyone's sarcastically saying he gave up a whole 3 goals in 11 attempts, but someone already pointed out that if he just stopped one of the first two shooters, it wouldn't have gone to 11. It's nice that he kept us going for that many rounds, but it could've been a win in the normal 3 rounds if he stopped the lightning shooters that are best at the shootout.

I'm also not interested in hearing "He stopped Lecavalier and St. Louis!" they're both terrible at the shootout. Everyone's laughing at the thought of Adam Hall scoring but I'm sure there's a reason he goes before them just like there's a reason a player that didn't have a shift in the 3rd period is our first shooter in the shootout.

And talk about hindsight with going with Avery and Feds over Roszy. Avery looks awful in breakaway situations. I'm not sure how Feds does in the shootout, but something tells me it's not all that good. It's absurd to blame Tortarella's choices given the roster he had. Roszival and Gilroy both have good hands and have both shown in the past they've got some moves up their sleeves. Something I don't remember seeing from Avery or Feds in a breakaway situation, penalty shot situation or a shootout.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the shooters for continuing to try and deke Ellis. Especially guys like Brian Boyle, who clearly have good shots and not the best moves.

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12-24-2010, 01:15 PM
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If you want to blame anyone, blame the shooters for continuing to try and deke Ellis. Especially guys like Brian Boyle, who clearly have good shots and not the best moves.
Or blame Girardi and Roszival for assisting on the 2 TB goals.

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Everyone's sarcastically saying he gave up a whole 3 goals in 11 attempts, but someone already pointed out that if he just stopped one of the first two shooters, it wouldn't have gone to 11. It's nice that he kept us going for that many rounds, but it could've been a win in the normal 3 rounds if he stopped the lightning shooters that are best at the shootout.

I'm also not interested in hearing "He stopped Lecavalier and St. Louis!" they're both terrible at the shootout. Everyone's laughing at the thought of Adam Hall scoring but I'm sure there's a reason he goes before them just like there's a reason a player that didn't have a shift in the 3rd period is our first shooter in the shootout.

And talk about hindsight with going with Avery and Feds over Roszy. Avery looks awful in breakaway situations. I'm not sure how Feds does in the shootout, but something tells me it's not all that good. It's absurd to blame Tortarella's choices given the roster he had. Roszival and Gilroy both have good hands and have both shown in the past they've got some moves up their sleeves. Something I don't remember seeing from Avery or Feds in a breakaway situation, penalty shot situation or a shootout.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the shooters for continuing to try and deke Ellis. Especially guys like Brian Boyle, who clearly have good shots and not the best moves.
...and if he let "just stopped" the shots on those first 2 giveaways there wouldn't be any shootout. Also, I've never seen Roszival's good hands that you're talking about. Scoring goals in any situation is by far the weakest part of his game in my eyes.

Overall, I blame the shooters for not realizing that Ellis was coming out to challenge them and poke checking every single time. All any of them had to do was get some elevation on their shots. I get that it's easier said than done but nobody looked like they got even close. That was sad. Also, nobody tries to fake slap shot the guy. That move probably plays over and over in his nightmares after the Omark goal. Someone should have tried it.

At the end of the day Hank was fine and like others have said, he's on pace to repeat his usual numbers this year. He's great. They lost in a gimmick competition to a great team. It happens. They also played very well and Stepan continued to score clutch goals. Those two things are more important to me than whether or not Hank was good stopping 9 SO attempts.

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I blame the turnovers that cost the Rangers the game.

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