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12-23-2010, 10:47 PM
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No one's fired harder than John MaClean...

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12-23-2010, 11:46 PM
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Good thing they fired their coach, seeing how in the subsequent game their hall of fame goalie let 5 goals in on 14 shots.... from the Islanders.

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12-24-2010, 12:06 AM
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lou's probably hoping lemaire will be able to guide his players through the rest of the season, continue to tank and escape with a high draft pick. at this point, their season isn't salvageable. now you need someone to convince the boys that it's all for the greater good.

either way, the devils suck which is pretty ****ing sweet.

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12-24-2010, 01:22 AM
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They have officially been rebranded a Mickey Mouse organization.....

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No sympathy from me, they made a colossal mistake in getting Kovy for that insanely long, ridiculously expensive contract. Was it really worth what they gave up to Atlanta and the subsequent fine/loss of draft picks from the league for circumventing the cap?

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Oh how the mighty have fallen, and I hought our season last year was bad...

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12-24-2010, 10:11 PM
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No sympathy from me, they made a colossal mistake in getting Kovy for that insanely long, ridiculously expensive contract. Was it really worth what they gave up to Atlanta and the subsequent fine/loss of draft picks from the league for circumventing the cap?
Like you said...it is insanely long. Let's say he brings them another championship in the foreseeable future, wouldn't that be worth it?

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12-24-2010, 11:16 PM
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Like you said...it is insanely long. Let's say he brings them another championship in the foreseeable future, wouldn't that be worth it?
It would be, but they are looking bad right now. Like Toronto bad.

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12-24-2010, 11:29 PM
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It would be, but they are looking bad right now. Like Toronto bad.
A lot of **** can happen in 27 years (or however long Kovalchuk's deal was).


They're a good young goalie, a coach and a legitimate #1 defense man away from being a pretty dangerous playoff team again in two years IMO. Granted, none of those things grow on trees (the coach being probably the most important of those three, IMO).

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12-27-2010, 02:08 PM
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They're a good young goalie, a coach and a legitimate #1 defense man away from being a pretty dangerous playoff team again in two years IMO.
You just described half of the NHL.

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12-27-2010, 02:26 PM
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You just described half of the NHL.
Touche.



They have a good goalie now and a coach shouldn't be that hard to find. So they could either trade Brodeur for part of what they need or he could be a substitute for the "good young goalie" if he can still play in two years (which looks likely). The #1 defenseman is going to be the toughest hole to fill, because who gives them up. They will have a nice pick this season though.

So realistically they're a little closer than the rest of that half of the NHL I was describing.

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12-27-2010, 02:34 PM
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Touche.



They have a good goalie now and a coach shouldn't be that hard to find. So they could either trade Brodeur for part of what they need or he could be a substitute for the "good young goalie" if he can still play in two years (which looks likely). The #1 defenseman is going to be the toughest hole to fill, because who gives them up. They will have a nice pick this season though.

So realistically they're a little closer than the rest of that half of the NHL I was describing.
Building a team in today's NHL is all about free agency, though. That Kovy contract is going to cripple them moving forward, not to mention the other bad deals Lou has given out to older players, compounded by Parise's imminent raise and I don't see any possible way the Devils are relevant any time soon, short of Brodeur returning to form.

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12-27-2010, 02:51 PM
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Building a team in today's NHL is all about free agency, though. That Kovy contract is going to cripple them moving forward, not to mention the other bad deals Lou has given out to older players, compounded by Parise's imminent raise and I don't see any possible way the Devils are relevant any time soon, short of Brodeur returning to form.
That's where we disagree I guess. It's a hard capped league with a lot of players in it who have contracts that are too large from before GM's got a good assessment of what talent was really worth under the new, capped market. That to me sounds exactly like the kind of league where success would be based on smart drafting of players who are ready to contribute in the near future, particularly when those contracts are controlled costs.

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12-27-2010, 02:59 PM
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That's where we disagree I guess. It's a hard capped league with a lot of players in it who have contracts that are too large from before GM's got a good assessment of what talent was really worth under the new, capped market. That to me sounds exactly like the kind of league where success would be based on smart drafting of players who are ready to contribute in the near future, particularly when those contracts are controlled costs.
You need both, smart FA signings and smart drafting, to be good.

Teams like NJ who have so much money committed to pieces who aren't contributing basically have no choice but to rebuild now, imo. It is a similiar situation as to how I fear the decline of Briere, Pronger and Timonen may cripple the Flyers; however, NJ doesn't have a young core like the Flyers have.

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12-27-2010, 05:53 PM
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It would be, but they are looking bad right now. Like Toronto bad.
They're actually far worse then Toronto this year. The Islanders have a winning record over NJ, NJ is like over 10 points behind the third worst team in the NHL, and they literally have to play at an unprecedented pace to make the playoffs this year.

Regardless though, Kovalchuk isn't the reason they're bad this year and 14 years is still a hell of a lot of time for Kovalchuk to help win them a championship.

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Building a team in today's NHL is all about free agency, though. That Kovy contract is going to cripple them moving forward, not to mention the other bad deals Lou has given out to older players, compounded by Parise's imminent raise and I don't see any possible way the Devils are relevant any time soon, short of Brodeur returning to form.
Kovalchuk has only a 6.666 mil cap hit. That's only .666 more then Elias and definitely below market value for a 50 goal and 90+ point threat.

As for their so-called older players on bad contracts, Brodeur, Salvador, Langenbrunner, Rolston, Arnott, and White all have expiring contracts either this off-season or next off-season. Their only "older" player with a contract that doesn't end this or next off-season is Elias. The buyouts of Peters and Pandolfo also end after next season (which amounts to about 1 mil in cap space between both buyouts).

As for Parise's raise, all they have to do is give him Arnott's money and they're fine. It shouldn't be a problem at all to sign him.

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12-28-2010, 11:03 AM
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Kovalchuk has only a 6.666 mil cap hit. That's only .666 more then Elias and definitely below market value for a 50 goal and 90+ point threat.

As for their so-called older players on bad contracts, Brodeur, Salvador, Langenbrunner, Rolston, Arnott, and White all have expiring contracts either this off-season or next off-season. Their only "older" player with a contract that doesn't end this or next off-season is Elias. The buyouts of Peters and Pandolfo also end after next season (which amounts to about 1 mil in cap space between both buyouts).

As for Parise's raise, all they have to do is give him Arnott's money and they're fine. It shouldn't be a problem at all to sign him.
Fair enough about the other contracts, but unless NJ changes their philosophy to accommodate Kovalchuk (like Atlanta did) then he will be an anchor more often than an asset, imo.

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12-28-2010, 11:35 AM
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