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12-25-2010, 07:34 PM
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They did? Because I remember the guy we got back leading our team in scoring, while the guy we sent them is currently a healthy scratch making 2.7 mil. Hmm.
I remember the guy we got back being lazy and invisible half the time and being gone with nothing to show for it after one season while Tyutin is still on their team.

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I remember the guy we got back being lazy and invisible half the time and being gone with nothing to show for it after one season while Tyutin is still on their team.
....And is more of a liability than an asset. Without Zherdev, we finish around 10th place in 09. Tyutin is nothing special. Let it go.

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....And is more of a liability than an asset. Without Zherdev, we finish around 10th place in 09. Tyutin is nothing special. Let it go.
Nothing special other than a top 4 d-man who doesn't have a cap hit that would hinder our ability to sign Brad Richards.

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Nothing special other than a top 4 d-man who doesn't have a cap hit that would hinder our ability to sign Brad Richards.
He hasn't been a top-4 dman since going to Columbus.

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He hasn't been a top-4 dman since going to Columbus.
That's a lie. Tyutin has been on Roszival's level his entire tenure in Columbus.

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That's a lie. Tyutin has been on Roszival's level his entire tenure in Columbus.
No, he hasn't. He's been ok. That's it. The trade happened in the friggin' summer of '08. Let it be.

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No, he hasn't. He's been ok. That's it. The trade happened in the friggin' summer of '08. Let it be.
I'm not saying anything about the trade, i'm just saying you're talking about Tyutin like he's Wade Redden while it' s undeserved. He's still a good second pairing defense-man with a cheap cap hit.

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He's still a good second pairing defense-man with a cheap cap hit.
This is true.

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No, he hasn't. He's been ok. That's it. The trade happened in the friggin' summer of '08. Let it be.
Tyutin has put up better numbers and more minutes over the past 2 seasons than Rozsival..this is a fact, this is not disputable.



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Tyutin has put up better numbers and more minutes over the past 2 seasons than Rozsival..this is a fact, this is not disputable.



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Well, stats of course aren't everything. I'd prefer to have neither at their current price, but Rozsival is really the more valuable asset imo.

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No, he hasn't. He's been ok. That's it. The trade happened in the friggin' summer of '08. Let it be.
Um... you're way wrong. He has absolutely been. It's only been this year that his play has been disappointing. The last two seasons he put up 30+ points and averaged almost 23 minutes per game. Absolutely top 4 and at times CBJs top d-man. Just not performing up to par so far this season.

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Um... you're way wrong. He has absolutely been. It's only been this year that his play has been disappointing. The last two seasons he put up 30+ points and averaged almost 23 minutes per game. Absolutely top 4 and at times CBJs top d-man. Just not performing up to par so far this season.
I haven't been impressed by him at all, to be honest. I don't see any reason why we should be harping over it STILL.

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....And is more of a liability than an asset. Without Zherdev, we finish around 10th place in 09. Tyutin is nothing special. Let it go.
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He hasn't been a top-4 dman since going to Columbus.
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No, he hasn't. He's been ok. That's it. The trade happened in the friggin' summer of '08. Let it be.
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Well, stats of course aren't everything. I'd prefer to have neither at their current price, but Rozsival is really the more valuable asset imo.
Um... you're way wrong abotu Tyutin. He has absolutely been a top four d-man and not at all a liability. It's only been this year that his play has been disappointing. The last two seasons he's put up 30+ points and averaged almost 23 minutes per game playing ES, PP and PK. Absolutely top four and at times CBJs top d-man. Just not performing up to par so far this season. To call him a liability and say he hasn't been a top four d-man SINCE going to Columbus is terribly misinformed and comes off as silly. For about 30 games he hasn't been a top four d-man. Seriously. I follow the Blue Jackets rather closely; I have family in Ohio and may be moving out there next year to work for the Jackets in marketing.

Edit: wanted to delete my original post since it's a repeat.

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Well, I guess I'll take your word for it. In the times I've watched him, I was never as impressed of some of the people here. I never really liked him anyway.

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Well, stats of course aren't everything.
Especially when they're not in your favor.

How can you say that you won a trade where the player that you received went off to Russia because no one would pay his mediocre demands here?

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Especially when they're not in your favor.

How can you say that you won a trade where the player that you received went off to Russia because no one would pay his mediocre demands here?
Plus Zherdev scored 58 points for us while having one job - to provide offense (sure, he shouldn't have been relied on as the primary source, but regardless, he had one job). Tyutin scored 34 points as a d-man for Columbus in that season, averaging 22 minutes a night and followed it up with 32 points and the same minutes in a key role on the Jackets while Zherdev was in Russia.

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Toots was a player we spent years developing, and eventually moved him for a 1-year rental. The Blue-Jackets have a quality NHL player, and we have nothing to show for. That's bad asset management, any way you slice it. We clearly "lost" that trade. **** happens, I don't mind the risk Sather made. Gotta have balls sometimes.

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i think ppl overrate what Tyutin is. I'd still do that trade today. Of course, I wouldnt have let Z go either...

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Tyutin has been columbus best d-man for the past couple years.

Dont just say o hes a healthy scratch blah blah. Do you even understand the reasoning behind his healthy scratch?

Do any of us think that del zotto sucked last year just because he was a healthy scratch this year? No!

Tytin>>>>Z any day.

Zherdev is a lazy selfish player that was a mistake player brought in to boost the offense.

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i think ppl overrate what Tyutin is. I'd still do that trade today. Of course, I wouldnt have let Z go either...
I don't see anyone claiming Tyutin is an all-star or anything like that, so considering as much, I think it's difficult to overrate a 23 minute a night, 30+ point defender who plays in all situations and has a physical edge to his game. Tyutin is probably underrated, as far as being recognized league-wide is concerned. I think the only reason Rangers fans say things like Tyutin is overrate or Tyutin is just an average player/not top-four material is because there's a subconscious bitterness over him succeeding after we traded him. As for his healthy scratch this year, CBJ coaches thought it would be a wake-up call to help him elevate his play BACK to what it was the last couple of years for them, which was very, very good.

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Well, stats of course aren't everything. I'd prefer to have neither at their current price, but Rozsival is really the more valuable asset imo.
Obviously I disagree with Rozsival been a bigger asset, but thats just opinion.

I do agree with you thought that this is nothing worth harping over, as none of these guys are all star caliber.

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i think ppl overrate what Tyutin is. I'd still do that trade today. Of course, I wouldnt have let Z go either...
One mans Tyutin, is another mans Rozsival

I would do the trade over again, only if we resigned Zherdev.

The trade was justified in the sense that we recieved the best, most skilled player, and for us, that was a chance we had to take.

I have no ill regards for the trade beyond letting Z go

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Obviously I disagree with Rozsival been a bigger asset, but thats just opinion.

I do agree with you thought that this is nothing worth harping over, as none of these guys are all star caliber.
The only reason i think this topic is even discussed is the fact that rozy is, right now, not really expendable. We don't have that dependent, second pairing, veteran guy.

Tyutin was a home grown, top 4 d-man who is on a cap friendly salary. Zherdev is a selfish player who wasn't wanted by ANY team after his season with the Rangers.

That being said, the trade was really low risk, high reward. Tyutin doesn't make us a cup contender or anything like that. It's a matter of the cap space imo, Tyutins 2.7> Rozy's 5

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Arthur Staple of Newsday. Since Newsday has a paywall,here is a complete summary. Can't post the entire clip(copyright infractions)

Rangers are still interested in Tyutin

Columbus is not eager to trade Tyutin. They want to deal off Klesla who they signed to an extension just last season.

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The Rangers, it's believed, would love to have Tyutin back. Sather dealt him for Nik Zherdev two summers ago; that was a bust, after Zherdev's one shaky season in New York and Tyutin's continued steady play in Columbus.

Tyutin has one year at a $2.875-million cap hit remaining, which would fit in well with the Rangers' cap situation.

They won't be parting with Del Zotto, though, despite his struggles.

So the search may continue for a good trade fit with three weeks left until the deadline.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/column...unch-1.2664044

Columbus has too many players signed to long term deals. Teams don't trade for term. They're stuck.

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Arthur Staple of Newsday. Since Newsday has a paywall,here is a complete summary. Can't post the entire clip(copyright infractions)

Rangers are still interested in Tyutin

Columbus is not eager to trade Tyutin. They want to deal off Klesla who they signed to an extension just last season.



http://www.newsday.com/sports/column...unch-1.2664044

Columbus has too many players signed to long term deals. Teams don't trade for term. They're stuck.
I really don't see any trade fitting him in

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