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12-27-2010, 03:38 PM
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i'm getting tired of those so called "leaders" that are on his case day in and day out. Maybe a bit of jealousy?
This team is better with PK in the line-up, veterans should know better.
Why would Plekanec be jealous of Subban? Pleks has got nothing but praise this season.

And if our team is really better with PK in the line-up it isn't showing.

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In your entourage, if 10 people have problem with you, big chance are that you're the problem, not them.

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This reminds me of the time I found out the man I had been seeking to destroy, and his empire, really was my father, and I kissed my sister.

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So what, you'd be mad if he'd become better defensively ?
Well of course! Well, all put into perspective.

Subban is not known for his D. So I'll want from him some minimal knowledge on how to play defense, the basic to not look like a dumb, but I'll tell him to amaze us with his offensive game. Wich has bring him were he is..wich is almost inexistant lately...

We must not search to destroy a player's way to play. We must seek to build a solid core of youth that knows how to play together, whatever the other's weakness. That's called a team with soul. A winnig team, generally.

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12-27-2010, 03:48 PM
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Well Subban is really starting to get on everybody's nerves it seems. Can't be a good thing if the entire team is hating on him, there's probably a reason why, just saying...

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12-27-2010, 03:54 PM
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Well Subban is really starting to get on everybody's nerves it seems. Can't be a good thing if the entire team is hating on him, there's probably a reason why, just saying...
Perhaps. What I don't like it just may prove a dick like Cherry right.

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12-27-2010, 03:55 PM
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I think it is great that the plays and practices hard ---with all the attitude he wants to. *But* we have to see the full picture which is that these guys all travel, eat (sometimes) etc together and if one guy has an attitude than it becomes a real issue. I used to play university and there were 2 guys on the team who were OK in small quantities but nobody on the team could stand them after awhile (road trips). Great players, but very arrogant ...not great for team unity.

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12-27-2010, 03:59 PM
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The veterans are continuing on their will to broke Subban's personality into an other boring, all around player.

Shame on them. Let Subban play his style.
He wouldn't be boring if he became a well-rounded, orthodox player because his skills would still be there. Ray Bourque played a conventional game but that ddidn't prevent him from being elected to the HOF at the end of his career. You don't get points for being eccentric in a team game. Wouldn't it be nice to have Dmen who covered oppossing forwards like a blanket, brought the puck successfully through center off, and got off crisp passes and hard shots on goal?

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12-27-2010, 03:59 PM
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Why you all say that they hate Pk for that. They are hockey players , scrum and fight happen all the time on the ice. I played with friends and against friends and i got into scrum all the time. I almost fought a teamates in a baseball practice.

But it's sport, just a game . Things are always all good after the game or practice. You guys are a little bit sensitive

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12-27-2010, 04:24 PM
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In your entourage, if 10 people have problem with you, big chance are that you're the problem, not them.
That's not necessarily true. I've studied bullying and people can gang-up on someone who has done absolutely nothing. Not saying that this is the case, but it is possible that some just don't like his guts... just saying.

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12-27-2010, 04:59 PM
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JM said it was perfectly OK with him, players showing intensity and PK telling he wants to play. Maybe we should listen to him at times.

The only reason PK was out on Sunday was that the team won. He'll be back next game 100%. He'll get his chances.

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12-27-2010, 05:42 PM
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I'm a big fan of PK and all, but now getting in to it with team mates...

he's gotta cool it abit...

was sick at the WJC in O-town though

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12-27-2010, 05:43 PM
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At this point I hope Gauthier trades Subban as soon as possible because this team does not deserve him.

Playing Gorges injured over him??? REALLY??

seriously, **** this

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At this point I hope Gauthier trades Subban as soon as possible because this team does not deserve him.

Playing Gorges injured over him??? REALLY??
Wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of the person who is playing that injured Gorges and even friggin Alexandre Picard over him?

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12-27-2010, 06:00 PM
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Wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of the person who is playing that injured Gorges and even friggin Alexandre Picard over him?
Then I want Gauthier gone too, since I doubt he will fire his "pal" Martin. They are incompetent, imo.

But let's forget that, it won't happen especially this year, so I would like Subban to get out of this mess asap, even if I will greatly miss having him this is probably the best move for him going forward before JM destroys what he has left.

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12-27-2010, 06:03 PM
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Cue to Subban being seen as "addition by substraction" or "cancer" or any other stupid stuff like that...
actually they way people suck subban off it would be "its all pleks fault he shouldnt be tough on him"

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Trade for Kaberle send Subban to Hamilton

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12-27-2010, 06:27 PM
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Time for the GM PG to tell the Coach JM that he needs to play the kids on D, Subban and Weber cause the old guys are tired and hurt and Picard isn't the solution...if not, fire his ass and give him a cushy front office job and get a real coach.

Subban is obviously frustrated and it is being taken out on fellow players cause he is trying to show th coach he wants to play, the coach needs to open his damn eyes!

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Lawls at this thread.

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12-27-2010, 06:31 PM
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The habs are known to be more willing to drop the gloves in practice than in a game.

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12-27-2010, 06:38 PM
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The habs are known to be more willing to drop the gloves in practice than in a game.
Well it's pretty obvious....they are amongst the softest players in the league...nobody is afraid of them not even....them.

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actually they way people suck subban off it would be "its all pleks fault he shouldnt be tough on him"
Nobody sucks Subban off but the majority understand that he's a rookie with things to learn. And as if it wasn't enough to just understand that, we had enough example of rookies with a supposed bad behavior that ended up NOT being cancer everywhere else and continued their maturity process once they're gone. So the idea is to learn from this and stop being the farm team of the rest of the NHL and start dealing with guys that are just a little bit outside of milk drinkers and have them mature WITH US.

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12-27-2010, 06:43 PM
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The coaching staff really needs to step in. This **** keeps going on and on... It ruins the atmosphere. If the Habs organization don't have it in them to incorporate an ebullient personnality they should trade PK to some team that can and at least get something valuable in return.
Wrong. It's a good thing that this happened in practice. It shows that our best forward is frustrated by this poor stretch and it shows that our best prospect wants into the lineup. The coach is happy about it....we should also be happy about it.

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I think they are just both very intense players and both hate that they are losing.
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Well we don't know the reasons for all this stuff and we don't know what the heck Martin is teaching Subban but if all this has NOT been a planed thing by the players and Martin or if it's just something that that Martin is letting happen to Subban then I swear it's the worst coaching I have ever seen in 60 years being a Habs fan. I won't say that yet because we all need to know the truth about all this and I mean the truth not the party line, THE TRUTH. IS Subban just a real son of a ***** to coach or is the Coach the real SOB in all this. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON????????
Have you never been on a team that had an incident between players in practice? Cammalleri got into it with Lapierre last year....didn't seem to affect chemistry.

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Why you all say that they hate Pk for that. They are hockey players , scrum and fight happen all the time on the ice. I played with friends and against friends and i got into scrum all the time. I almost fought a teamates in a baseball practice.

But it's sport, just a game . Things are always all good after the game or practice. You guys are a little bit sensitive
Couldn't have said it better myself.

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That's not necessarily true. I've studied bullying and people can gang-up on someone who has done absolutely nothing. Not saying that this is the case, but it is possible that some just don't like his guts... just saying.
Good gawd....holy overreaction!

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Time for the GM PG to tell the Coach JM that he needs to play the kids on D, Subban and Weber cause the old guys are tired and hurt and Picard isn't the solution...if not, fire his ass and give him a cushy front office job and get a real coach.

Subban is obviously frustrated and it is being taken out on fellow players cause he is trying to show th coach he wants to play, the coach needs to open his damn eyes!
Do you not think that Jacques Martin has consulted with Muller, Pearn and the GM about his handling of PK?? I guarantee you he's not doing this all on his own.

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Lawls at this thread.
Yup! That says it all about this thread.

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Well of course! Well, all put into perspective.

Subban is not known for his D. So I'll want from him some minimal knowledge on how to play defense, the basic to not look like a dumb, but I'll tell him to amaze us with his offensive game. Wich has bring him were he is..wich is almost inexistant lately...

We must not search to destroy a player's way to play. We must seek to build a solid core of youth that knows how to play together, whatever the other's weakness. That's called a team with soul. A winnig team, generally.
Your going to need a new coach then... if the player does not play D he has no use to JM.
I remember Spezza first playoff run in Ottawa JM scratched him and it was not until Muckler told JM to play Spezza in an elimination game he came in. (1G 2Pts)

It's the way JM is... not good enough defensively then the player does not play

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My biggest concern? It's that only PK was able to get a few guys angry....Where's all the passion from the others? Martin sees that as a good sign based on the fact that he was bringing during practice...so how about the others?

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Subban is obviously frustrated and it is being taken out on fellow players cause he is trying to show th coach he wants to play, the coach needs to open his damn eyes!
That's exactly what I'm thinking...

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Well it's pretty obvious....they are amongst the softest players in the league...nobody is afraid of them not even....them.
Thanks, I needed that!

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