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12-27-2010, 07:06 PM
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From http://www.tsn.ca/story/?id=346998

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Habs captain Brian Gionta concurred that arguments between teammates are simply something that occurs when a player is trying to force his way back in to the lineup.

"When you are not playing you've got to practice hard and make sure you are ready for the game when you are called on," said Gionta. "I thought it was a good practice by everybody and that stuff is going to happen when you're practicing hard."
The overreaction in this thread is ridiculous!

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12-27-2010, 07:30 PM
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The overreaction in this thread is ridiculous!
Yep. This is a non-issue.

It's so funny how the words of outsiders have really rattled our fan base.

It started with Richards....then Cherry...then Subban screws up on a couple of plays....he gets benched...then "the white way"...then talk of players wanting him benched....then video of Pleks and him at practice...now another issue at practice... LOL

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12-27-2010, 07:34 PM
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Stop using the easy excuse '' their are both intense player'' . its the 3rd time this **** happen. I don't know if PK is a **** in the loockeroom or some player are just jelly , but their is some issue with subban and more than one player.Deal with it
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This happens to every team. PK is just a guy who is intense and talks a lot, probably just ticked off a guy that was already on the edge because of how crappy they are playing.

I'd be more concerned if things like this didn't happen. You obviously can't comprehend what happens when 25 pissed off guys are around each other. Heck a team isn't just guys, it's like a family. Imagine a household of 25 brothers.


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12-27-2010, 07:35 PM
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Well of course! Well, all put into perspective.

Subban is not known for his D. So I'll want from him some minimal knowledge on how to play defense, the basic to not look like a dumb, but I'll tell him to amaze us with his offensive game. Wich has bring him were he is..wich is almost inexistant lately...

We must not search to destroy a player's way to play. We must seek to build a solid core of youth that knows how to play together, whatever the other's weakness. That's called a team with soul. A winnig team, generally.
If it's minimal knowledge he'll never be a 1st pair D, probably not even a 2nd pair D... no coach will want their D to be schooled by the opponents star forwards every time they step the ice


No that's not even called a team, just a bunch of individuals doing whatever they're best at while not improving other aspects of the game... see NYR under Sather...

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12-27-2010, 08:19 PM
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JM is, he can't utilize rookies properly especially those who rendered good services for him in the past playoffs, hes acting like he's seeing PK play for the first time. Does this situation make any sense at all to you? Not only does he play Picard over him, a fringe 7th D-man from Ottawa (always hated that signing and I still do) that is making absurd AHL mistakes over and over but an injured Gorges too... come on.

PK Subban is a new breed defenseman and a complete player with all the tools yet he isn't being played. How quickly do we forget his 23 mins of ice time on avg in the first 15(ish) games and him carrying the load offensively - minus the stat sheet but he was the catalyst - and QB'ing the rush. Now that the league took notice of him JM is killing his confidence by scratching him after every loss.

Imagine PK under Boucher in Tampa right now... im now saying that I would want this to happen although it would be whats best for him... but we would see a very different PK, one who has the support of his coach.


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12-27-2010, 08:22 PM
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Your going to need a new coach then... if the player does not play D he has no use to JM.
I remember Spezza first playoff run in Ottawa JM scratched him and it was not until Muckler told JM to play Spezza in an elimination game he came in. (1G 2Pts)

It's the way JM is... not good enough defensively then the player does not play
I don't believe Gauthier has the balls to do something like that.

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12-27-2010, 08:27 PM
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too many PPs and KKs between these 2

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12-27-2010, 08:28 PM
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I don't believe Gauthier has the balls to do something like that.
No, he's no Gainey.

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12-27-2010, 08:50 PM
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I don't believe Gauthier has the balls to do something like that.
You mean the guy who traded Halak doesn't have balls? Good one!

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12-27-2010, 08:51 PM
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No, he's no Gainey.
Subban is not bigger than the team, get over yourself. He's been brutal for 10 games or more.

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12-27-2010, 09:02 PM
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Subban is not bigger than the team, get over yourself. He's been brutal for 10 games or more.
Because he's been paired with Picard, who hasn't got a clue. Why don't you get over yourself?

Subban was fine when we were winning and then martin singles him out for the teams insuccess.

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12-27-2010, 09:18 PM
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Well Subban is really starting to get on everybody's nerves it seems. Can't be a good thing if the entire team is hating on him, there's probably a reason why, just saying...
And messing with one of the best, liked players on your team doesn't help. Not sure what some of you saying it's good got the team. Subban already has been called out, thus why he is sitting. It IS not better for the team, that's just plain stupid. And for all of you saying he the Habs are better when he is in the lineup must have missed when he WAS playing, all I can say is

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12-28-2010, 12:12 AM
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The more i hear of Subban, the more i just start to wish he was sent back to Hamilton. This guy as no respect. Hes amazing to watch, but i really start to dislike him... dunno still if i want him in my team for a long time...

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12-28-2010, 12:51 AM
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Just a kid trying hard to get back into the line-up... as always, the media will blow this up into something it isn't.

After the crap we've been seing from the Habs in the last eight or more games, it's refreshing to finally see some emotion out of them. After such crap showings recently, there's bound to be a lot of frustrations amongst the boys.

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12-28-2010, 12:56 AM
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JM is, he can't utilize rookies properly especially those who rendered good services for him in the past playoffs, hes acting like he's seeing PK play for the first time. Does this situation make any sense at all to you? Not only does he play Picard over him, a fringe 7th D-man from Ottawa (always hated that signing and I still do) that is making absurd AHL mistakes over and over but an injured Gorges too... come on.

PK Subban is a new breed defenseman and a complete player with all the tools yet he isn't being played. How quickly do we forget his 23 mins of ice time on avg in the first 15(ish) games and him carrying the load offensively - minus the stat sheet but he was the catalyst - and QB'ing the rush. Now that the league took notice of him JM is killing his confidence by scratching him after every loss.

Imagine PK under Boucher in Tampa right now... im now saying that I would want this to happen although it would be whats best for him... but we would see a very different PK, one who has the support of his coach.
Not to mention Spacek, who isn't doing a single damn thing well this year. Count how many times that guys falls on his ass for no reason during a game. Martin has no faith in the kids and won't bench the useless vets.


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12-28-2010, 01:25 AM
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If you think about it, the two players are on the opposite end as far as personality. Plek is a shy, serious, humble, dedicated guy, who rarely make mistakes and he's a too way player. While PK is a engaging, loud, flashy guy, who has offensive skills yet lack in defensive ones even though he's a defenseman. I bet Plek is annoyed that PK doesn't follow in line while PK maybe doesn't know why the other is annoyed. Maybe PK would fit better with the Capitals.

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12-28-2010, 01:26 AM
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Because he's been paired with Picard, who hasn't got a clue. Why don't you get over yourself?

Subban was fine when we were winning and then martin singles him out for the teams insuccess.
Subban and Picard were a great pairing not too long ago.

Stop trying to imagine conspiracies.

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I'm not surprised. Plekanec was visibly seething while the 3rd period wound down in new york.

Obviously, Subban wont be in the best of moods either at this point. I havent read too deep into this but if subban is crossing the line with our star player (taking shots at him), then somebody needs to step in. Hopefully, its nothing more than 2 guys who are pissed off with the way things are going.

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People on this board went from calling for JMs head after he benched Subban to saying we should trade him and hating on him in less than 2 weeks. Amazing!

He is a rookie, he will make mistakes. Those mistakes include agitating your own teammates at times.

The RAMQ should consider billing the Canadiens organization to offset some of the costs they incurred treating anxiety attacks suffered by the fans each time the team hits a slump.

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Plekanec and Subban are very pubertal players, they dont show any respect neither for opponents nor for teammates. Subban should be a bit more quiet and respectful, he should concentrate on his own play and not criticise older players or even the coach because he isn't in the lineup. Subban has a lot of things he urgently needs to improve if he wants to be such a loudmouth without being punished or traded.

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Perhaps. What I don't like it just may prove a dick like Cherry right.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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PK Subban is a new breed defenseman and a complete player with all the tools yet he isn't being played.
If by all "all the tools" you mean the ability to create multiple dangerous turnovers in a game then sure.

At the beginning of the season one of the frequent comments heard both here and by analysts was that Subban was often able to repair his own mistakes. What nobody mentioned was the fact that many of those mistakes were things that shouldn't have been happening in the first place.

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How quickly do we forget his 23 mins of ice time on avg in the first 15(ish) games and him carrying the load offensively
His ice time was often the result of PK extending his shifts and not going back to the bench on time. Witness the Oilers game as a perfect example.

No doubt about it PK has TONS of raw talent and a strong drive, but its starting to look like he has an ego to go with it that at this point in his career is undeserved. He's flashy and he's exciting to watch, but don't let that confuse you into thinking he's already top tier talent.

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12-28-2010, 07:20 AM
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The overreaction in this thread is ridiculous!
I don't see how a quote from Martin/Gionta proves anything really. What did you expect Gionta to say : "Well, Subban was being a ****ing brat all practice and Plekanec snapped. We're all tired of him really."

Of course he's going to say exactly what you just read. Quotes from the mild mannered coach/captain never mean anything. They feed the medias non controversial BS.

That said, it's probably nothing. But I wouldn't take Gionta's word for it.

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PK and Weber should always be playing at this point unless of course behind the scenes PK is being a real ***** but to be honest I have my doubts. The media needs to have something to QQ about.

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Subban and Picard were a great pairing not too long ago.

Stop trying to imagine conspiracies.
That kinda proves the point tho. Picard was just a by product of Subban playing very well. Picard is getting completely exposed now and is showing why he is a 7th defenseman.

Spacek and Picard have both been visibly worse then Subban yet haven't felt any heat from the coach. This is simply a message to PK and they are trying to break whatever bad habits they feel he has. Based simply on play, there is zero reason he has been the only one singled out.

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