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Rolston officially on re-entry waivers [cleared]

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12-28-2010, 12:32 PM
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12-28-2010, 12:34 PM
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Maybe Rolston should have worried about Lou's cap?

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12-28-2010, 12:35 PM
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if he only has one year left and its half the contract I think he gets picked up. Atlanta may be a good spot for him or a team like that

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12-28-2010, 12:39 PM
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Look at TO's roster.

No old farts.

Oldest guy is Giguere, a 33yr old goaltender.
If I were Toronto I'd claim him. What's the downside? The Leafs arent tanking because they don't own their #1 pick. If he gets back at least being a 20 goal scorer then it's a good deal. If he doesnt the leafs waive him next year, put him on reentry waivers and someone will def pick him up for 1/2 of 2.5 mill.

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12-28-2010, 12:42 PM
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If I were Toronto I'd claim him. What's the downside? The Leafs arent tanking because they don't own their #1 pick. If he gets back at least being a 20 goal scorer then it's a good deal. If he doesnt the leafs waive him next year, put him on reentry waivers and someone will def pick him up for 1/2 of 2.5 mill.
Downside is if he doesn't bounce back and plays like he has this year for 2.5 against the cap. If it were a 1 year deal I'd do it but I don't want him next year

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12-28-2010, 12:50 PM
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Downside is if he doesn't bounce back and plays like he has this year for 2.5 against the cap. If it were a 1 year deal I'd do it but I don't want him next year
You could as Toronto work out a deal that if they do pick him up and he doesnt hit a certain mark in terms of points then NJ would have to take him back next year. Say this off season if Rolston bombs out Toronto can send Rolston back to New Jersey for an exchange of 7th round picks in 2011. Something could be worked out if Toronto or someone else wants him but doesnt want to be stuck entirely with 2.5 mill of cap space next year if Rolston shows he's completely done as a player.

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12-28-2010, 12:56 PM
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If I were Toronto I'd claim him. What's the downside? The Leafs arent tanking because they don't own their #1 pick. If he gets back at least being a 20 goal scorer then it's a good deal. If he doesnt the leafs waive him next year, put him on reentry waivers and someone will def pick him up for 1/2 of 2.5 mill.
Doesn't work that way. If he were to be claimed on re-entry by toronto, then they place him on re-entry next year and another team claims him, toronto and the claiming team would both be on the hook for 2.5 mil and the devils would be off the hook.

The cap hit can only be halved once, no matter what happens to the player.

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12-28-2010, 12:58 PM
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Downside is if he doesn't bounce back and plays like he has this year for 2.5 against the cap. If it were a 1 year deal I'd do it but I don't want him next year
The cap is going up next year so it would be like adding Rolston for free. Burke will do whatever he can to get his team a little extra push this year cause seing Chiarelli at the podium selecting a top 5 pick for the 2nd straight year will piss off alot of people in Toronto, including Burke himself.

Rolston isn't lighting the league on fire but he can be a solid asset on your 2nd/3rd line instead of the guys you have at the moment, no?

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12-28-2010, 01:01 PM
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If I were Toronto I'd claim him. What's the downside? The Leafs arent tanking because they don't own their #1 pick. If he gets back at least being a 20 goal scorer then it's a good deal. If he doesnt the leafs waive him next year, put him on reentry waivers and someone will def pick him up for 1/2 of 2.5 mill.
Wasted cap space.

He's not a center. Let lone a legit top-line center.

He's not a power forward either.

He's not effective anymore.

And he takes a spot away from a kid who needs to spend this season to learn how to play the game.

But i suppose TO could pick him up anyway. It's TO.

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12-28-2010, 01:15 PM
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Wasted cap space.

He's not a center. Let lone a legit top-line center.

He's not a power forward either.

He's not effective anymore.

And he takes a spot away from a kid who needs to spend this season to learn how to play the game.

But i suppose TO could pick him up anyway. It's TO.
Rolston is better than any bottom 6 forward the Leafs have on their roster and like I sayd earlier, Burke doesn't want to see Chiarelli at the podium selecting another top 5 pick so adding a veteran player for peanuts this year since we are already at the halfway point of the season and 2.5M$ the next year whitout giving up any assets isn't that bad of a idea.

If the Leafs had a 1st, I would be on your side cause "improving" a team that looks like it's about to have a lottery pick wouldn't be a smart move.

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12-28-2010, 01:35 PM
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I think he will clear re-entry too.

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12-28-2010, 01:36 PM
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I could see Burke grabbing him at 2.5M. Burke's neck is in the noose and it can't really hurt to pick up a guy at half price and not give up any assets for him.

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12-28-2010, 01:39 PM
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Maybe Rolston should have worried about Lou's cap?
Maybe the Kings should stop worrying about the Devils and go win a Cup sometime?

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Rolston is better than any bottom 6 forward the Leafs have on their roster and like I sayd earlier, Burke doesn't want to see Chiarelli at the podium selecting another top 5 pick so adding a veteran player for peanuts this year since we are already at the halfway point of the season and 2.5M$ the next year whitout giving up any assets isn't that bad of a idea.

If the Leafs had a 1st, I would be on your side cause "improving" a team that looks like it's about to have a lottery pick wouldn't be a smart move.
If he's a bottom-six player at $2.5mil (5mil), then he's not worth picking up. Even for TO.

Remember, NJ is waiving Rolston. And NJ is even worse than TO this season.

Rolston does nothing to help TO avoid lottery position this season. But perhaps he 'helps' them next season en route to another lottery. But Burke will probably feel compelled to trade that pick too.

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12-28-2010, 01:43 PM
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I really hope that Lou has worked something out prior to doing this. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

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12-28-2010, 01:48 PM
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Just looking at contending teams with cap space and the teams I noticed are the Avalanche, Blues, Stars, Thrashers, and Lightning. Any chance that any of those teams would claim him?

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12-28-2010, 01:49 PM
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I really hope that Lou has worked something out prior to doing this. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.
Why doesn't it? What's the penalty if no one claims him? That we remain the worst team in the league with Rolston? I don't see any risk here. If a team claims him, great, we're off the hook for 2.5 mil. If no one claims him, we're in the same position we're in right now.

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12-28-2010, 01:50 PM
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I could see Burke grabbing him at 2.5M. Burke's neck is in the noose and it can't really hurt to pick up a guy at half price and not give up any assets for him.
Burke's neck isnt anywhere close to a noose. Hes got the complete support of his bosses.

That said, I wouldnt be surprised if the Leafs picked him up. I also wouldnt be shocked if this was a condition of a trade between NJ and the Leafs. Burke said hes looking to pull the trigger soon on a forward.

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12-28-2010, 02:05 PM
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Someone is going to claim him he can contribute and at 2.5mil he's a decent player

How would it work if he were to get claimed then traded? would his cap be 2.5 or 5mil, because if you could trade him for 2.5mil some teams could be interested.

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12-28-2010, 02:09 PM
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That contract is brutal... they don't get cap relief from him playing in Albany

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Someone is going to claim him he can contribute and at 2.5mil he's a decent player

How would it work if he were to get claimed then traded? would his cap be 2.5 or 5mil, because if you could trade him for 2.5mil some teams could be interested.
That scenario unfolded last year for another former NJD, Jay Leach. He was picked up on re-entry by MTL and later traded to SJS. Even when in SJS, NJD retained half of his cap hit on their books, but MTL was able to transfer their half to SJS because as part of the trade.

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No team will take him unless we already have him packaged in a trade for 1/2 price.

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Why doesn't it? What's the penalty if no one claims him? That we remain the worst team in the league with Rolston? I don't see any risk here. If a team claims him, great, we're off the hook for 2.5 mil. If no one claims him, we're in the same position we're in right now.
The Devils are a fragile team right now. If he is leaving ok, but if not, where is he going? Are you actually going to keep him on the team?

Hey Brian, Nobody wants you and we don't either. Come on in and further infect this lockerroom....I'm sure he'll be all smiles after this.

If now one claims him are the Devils actually going to send him to Ablany? Are the Devils going to pay him 5M for this year and next to play in Albany? That doesn't make sense.

He can not be around after this.

Structurely and financially we'll be in the same position, the room will be in a much worse state than it is already. A lot of this instability is because the players knew something like this was going to happen from the begining of the season and many of them have said so....So by keeping him around you magnify the problem and continue leaving everyone thinking who is next. It just isn't healthy. It didn't light a fire the first time and wont do anything but create more negetivity this time...

Again, I sure hope Lou has a plan.

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Yeah, i'm going with he probably won't be picked up at $2.5mil.
Math has never been my strong suit, but if Rolston were claimed on re-entry now, wouldn't it be a matter of him being picked at $1.25 mil for the remainder of this season (and then $2.5 mil next season)?

Half of his salary has already been paid this season.

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Math has never been my strong suit, but if Rolston were claimed on re-entry now, wouldn't it be a matter of him being picked at $1.25 mil for the remainder of this season (and then $2.5 mil next season)?

Half of his salary has already been paid this season.
No. Rolston's full season cap hit is about $5 million and change. Technically cap hit is also calculated daily. According to Capgeek, Rolston's daily hit is roughly about $27,000 without accounting for any bonuses. So if a team claimed him on reentry, they get hit with $13,500 towards their daily limit and NJ keeps the other half for the remainder of the contract.

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