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12-28-2010, 12:40 PM
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Del Zotto to Connecticut?

@AGrossRecord: Tortorella does not discount possibility of sending Del Zotto to Connecticut (AHL) in order to get him playing time.

Just thought this was interesting. Discuss.

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12-28-2010, 12:42 PM
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Eh, I don't know. I'm an advocate of sitting Del Guido for a few games, but sending him down? He has nothing to prove at that level, and I can't imagine it doing much to develop his game. Maybe he'll tear it up and develop confidence or something...though his confidence would probably also be shot by a demotion.

All in all, I'm skeptical such a move would help him. Though I'm open to trying it. If Girlroy continues to play well, MDZ needs to play somewhere.

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12-28-2010, 01:02 PM
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Im actually torn on this one.

Its obvious that MDZ will be a scratch again vs New Jersey barring an injury. But I dont see us being able to continue to play Gilroy at LD against solid offensive teams in the future.

Perhpas as a temporary measure, but I would like to see Vtank brought up in that case for the duration.

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It's a tough decision, but there's no way he's playing Wednesday. If Gilroy feeds off this and plays well, someone else would really have to hit the wall to play themself into the pressbox. If he sits for a few games, I'm all for sending him for a short time, just to get some games in.

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12-28-2010, 01:12 PM
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It's a tough decision, but there's no way he's playing Wednesday. If Gilroy feeds off this and plays well, someone else would really have to hit the wall to play themself into the pressbox. If he sits for a few games, I'm all for sending him for a short time, just to get some games in.
yea because Rozsival has done everything to stay in the lineup. scratch Rozsival make him watch and play Del Zotto. why cant Rozsival get scratched for his mistakes

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Maybe he'll tear it up and develop confidence or something...though his confidence would probably also be shot by a demotion.
As opposed to multi-game benchings and essay writing assignments?

HFD doesn't play again until Saturday, so I think you can afford to wait until after the Devil game to decide if he's back for the weekend. If he's not, playing the Whalepack's weekend games couldn't hurt.

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I wouldn't mind that. DZ's game is nowhere near the level it was a season ago...

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Gilroy scored 2 lucky goals against an Islanders team that was awful. The only way Del Zotto should be sent down is if he is sitting for an extended period of time, which I dont think will happen. Gilroy isn't that good.

Torts should play Del Zotto on the bottom pair with Sauer and play Eminger on the 2nd pair. Torts just need to cut down his minutes.

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yea because Rozsival has done everything to stay in the lineup. scratch Rozsival make him watch and play Del Zotto. why cant Rozsival get scratched for his mistakes
Oh please. Anyone who thinks MDZ has played better than Rozi isn't watching the games.

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yea because Rozsival has done everything to stay in the lineup. scratch Rozsival make him watch and play Del Zotto. why cant Rozsival get scratched for his mistakes
Ok I'll give you a couple of gaffes on Rosival's part but they come with any defenseman playing big minutes.

He's been one of our better dman this season so far.

If Gilroy is turning the page and keeps playing with more confidence, he has to stay in the lineup. I really like what I see him doing, and I've seen bits and pieces of it in games he's played. But the last couple fo games he's put more and more of it together for the entire game.

Del Zotto for the most part for me, has been very frustrating to watch this season. His confidence has certainly declined. I wouldn't be against him going down for a 5-10 game stint where he'll surely light the lamp and collect some much needed points to shine up the ego/swagger again.

He's young, he's not done, you have to be careful with young dman especially with offensive flare. Almost need to be treated like goaltenders.

Develop him right so he's rock for years to come here.

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some time in Hartford with Shonnie night not be a bad idea. One thing about almost every kid that comes through the system is that they play the game the right way....Shonnie and the rest are doing a good job getting these kids NHL ready...... correct me if Im wrong ...but didnt MDZ go straight to the big club?...no time in Hartford?

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It'll be good for him I think to score some points and get his confidence up again.

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Gilroy played an average game and scored two fluky goals.

You guys make it sound like MDZ has been playing like Redden the whole season. Yes, he's been bad most of the time, but the rest of the time he's blown Gilroy out of the water. It would help ALOT if we could keep him on the bottom pairing. Alternate him with Marc Staal next to Stepan on the PP.

edit- and if MDZ is sent down before Todd ****ing White i'll be livid.

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Gilroy likely wont keep it up but I guess if MDZ has options and he can play a few games then its ok if he gets called back very shortly

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Gilroy likely wont keep it up but I guess if MDZ has options and he can play a few games then its ok if he gets called back very shortly
It's not that Gilroy played so great last night with the 2 goals, but moreso, how does this affect his confidence. The past 2 games, we've seen him getting involved offensively, much like the start of last season. I don't think DZ will be scratched for a long time, but if for some reason Gilroy feeds off last night, it could be beneficial for DZ to spend some time in CT, instead of having the burden of sitting in the press box/evaluation of play. That's just as big a confidence killer IMO.

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Gilroy played an average game and scored two fluky goals.

You guys make it sound like MDZ has been playing like Redden the whole season. Yes, he's been bad most of the time, but the rest of the time he's blown Gilroy out of the water. It would help ALOT if we could keep him on the bottom pairing. Alternate him with Marc Staal next to Stepan on the PP.

edit- and if MDZ is sent down before Todd ****ing White i'll be livid.
1- Todd White is a forward, MDZ is a Dman. They don't compete for time
2- Todd White is an old vet, MDZ is a young second year player. Sending MDZ down would be for development reasons. Sending Todd White down would be for no real reason...

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I don't mind him being sent down to gain some confidence at all. You can tell he is struggling quite a bit out there.

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some time in Hartford with Shonnie night not be a bad idea. One thing about almost every kid that comes through the system is that they play the game the right way....Shonnie and the rest are doing a good job getting these kids NHL ready...... correct me if Im wrong ...but didnt MDZ go straight to the big club?...no time in Hartford?
Correct, MDZ made the team last year right out of juniors. Because he was under 20, he either needed to make the big club or go back to juniors. No AHL for players under 20, I can't remember if that applies only to kids coming from Canadian junior leagues or North America overall?

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This should have been done a while ago. MDZ hasn't played well this season. He is still so young and he may have been a little rushed because we were so desperate for offense on blueline. There is no shame in being sent down to work on your game and regain some confidence. It worked perfectly for Cally.

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Eh...I'm open to trying it. If Girlroy continues to play well, MDZ needs to play somewhere.
Right there is how I feel.

Keep MDZ playing and keep his confidence up. Keep those who are playing best playing in NY. If MDZ is playing in Hartford and he's getting time and coaching there, I'm not against it so long as those in NY are playing better than him. A sophomore slump is what it is and it's no big deal.

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This should have been done a while ago. MDZ hasn't played well this season. He is still so young and he may have been a little rushed because we were so desperate for offense on blueline. There is no shame in being sent down to work on your game and regain some confidence. It worked perfectly for Cally.
I disagree. With as well as he had played last season, he earned the right to work through it. Just like a proven veteran earns the right to work through it before you demote him to the 4th line. In my mind MDZ earned a lot of respect last season, he carried a lot of responsibility as a rookie. With that, you extend him the respect to work himself out of it and at times it looked like he might, but he's not, so that's where we are now.... a sophomore slump.

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The under 20 rule only applies to players drafted by a CHL team, and chose to play CHL, prior to becoming pro in North America or Europe.

Anyone else can play in the AHL regardless of age.

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That means...

NCAA players are exempt from the under-20 rule.

Pros and Juniors in Europe are exempt from the under-20 rule.

It only applies to CHL players, as a way to protect CHL teams from losing their top players.

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Have him work on his game in practice while he's a scratch. Make him work harder while not playing a game. Let him watch freaking Gilroy take his spot. Make him realize that his ass needs to play smart.

That's just me... I'm not saying sending him down won't be good for him. I wanna just see him be scratched for a couple of games, just to see how he reacts on and off the ice.

If he gets sent down for a bit, fine. I hope for the best.

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Guys like Anisimov and Grachev, for example, were able to play in the AHL as 19 year olds because they either had prior pro experience, or passed on the CHL.

Grachev had pro experience prior to being drafted by/playing in the CHL. Anisimov chose not to play in the CHL at all.

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I'd feel better about sending him down if it didn't mean skating Rozsival & Eminger together as our 2nd pairing, yikes.

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