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12-28-2010, 03:13 PM
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... Yeah, seeing as how he won the Norris in 94-95, I'd say Coffey was a bit more than decent. He still had a lot left and the Kings were fools to let him go.
That's right! Just makes me even more PO'd about the trade.

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12-28-2010, 03:14 PM
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Warren Rychel was a stud in the first two rounds...6 goals in 23 games.

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90-91 was The Kings best and deepest team. Take the 92-93 team mentioned above and add Duschene and Robinson on D.

Add Elik and The friendly ghost up front.
Yeah, I immediately thought of the 1991 team. They didn't get it done in the playoffs so fans forget about them. The team was actually in decline by 1993, but Gretzky and Hrudey had a great run in the playoffs.

When you look at the d-men and goalies together, I don't think it's ever been better than it is right now. But our forwards aren't quite there compared to the 91 and 93 teams.

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I don't really care to compare this team to past Kings teams...since the past pretty much is full of suck. We're entering a new era of Kings hockey and I look forward to seeing the Kings being one of the deepest clubs in the NHL in the near future.

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12-28-2010, 05:23 PM
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I don't really care to compare this team to past Kings teams...since the past pretty much is full of suck. We're entering a new era of Kings hockey and I look forward to seeing the Kings being one of the deepest clubs in the NHL in the near future.
I am going to disagree with this statement...some of the teams of the '70s and early '80s were the most entertaining and gritty teams ever.

We loved our Kings and they always came up with huge wins...they may not have made much of a dent in terms of championship glory but they were still a team to get behind and root for.

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I am going to disagree with this statement...some of the teams of the '70s and early '80s were the most entertaining and gritty teams ever.

We loved our Kings and they always came up with huge wins...they may not have made much of a dent in terms of championship glory but they were still a team to get behind and root for.
Each to their own...I am looking forward to the future and watching actual home grown players, and not seeing HOFers like Ray Bourque go to other teams because we traded away our draft pick. I'm looking forward to 20-30 years from now when we can have a discussion of where the current Kings team and the future teams are stacked up among the greats in the NHL and going to games where the Cup Banner is up in the rafters and not have to look at the measly Smythe Division banner.

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12-28-2010, 06:05 PM
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Each to their own...I am looking forward to the future and watching actual home grown players, and not seeing HOFers like Ray Bourque go to other teams because we traded away our draft pick. I'm looking forward to 20-30 years from now when we can have a discussion of where the current Kings team and the future teams are stacked up among the greats in the NHL and going to games where the Cup Banner is up in the rafters and not have to look at the measly Smythe Division banner.
I just want to see the Kings win the Stanley Cup at least once before I die.

44 years of waiting is an awful long time.

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12-28-2010, 06:42 PM
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I am going to disagree with this statement...some of the teams of the '70s and early '80s were the most entertaining and gritty teams ever.

We loved our Kings and they always came up with huge wins...they may not have made much of a dent in terms of championship glory but they were still a team to get behind and root for.
Been a die hard Kings fan since the mid-70's. Couldn't agree with you more. Who couldn't love Terry Ruskowski, Don Kozak, Butch Goring? Who can forget the Tiger and Randy Holt? Those teams may not have been the most talented but I loved those guys.

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12-28-2010, 06:45 PM
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I just want to see the Kings win the Stanley Cup at least once before I die.

44 years of waiting is an awful long time.
At least you're not a Cubs fan (I hope!)

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12-28-2010, 07:20 PM
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MTL 2nd best tandem in net? Maybe last yr with Halak but I'm going with Quick and Bernier over Price and Auld?

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This team has a franchise center and IMO two guys who when they play to their potential are #1 d-man, thats an improvement over Kings hockey for most of my life. This team has some skill issues but honestly if Brown and Williams can stay healthy and continue to produce at a 70+ point pace, who knows. I really really wish this team had one more sniper up front to help Kopitar, I really think we would be a Cup favorite.

The 2001 team was really good, but was going to be hard pressed to win a championship with Jozef Stumpel as the #1 center, although the firepower and offensive depth after all the trades was much better than this team. This team has a better D from 1-6. Hopefully Quick can steal games this year like Potvin did in the playoffs for the Kings.

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12-29-2010, 12:40 PM
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not the most talented , no HOF's , no all stars , but quite possible the BEST
team was the 74-75 Kings. They still hold the Team record for most points with 105
( no OT/SO for the extra points ) they had the 4th best record in the league with
3 others all tied for 1st with 113 . 7 20 goal scores , +87 goal diff

18 teams - 12 make the PO's - 4 division winners get a first round bye
first round was a best of 3

Bob Nevin 80 31 41 72
Mike Murphy 78 30 38 68
Dan Maloney 80 27 39 66
Robert "Butch" Goring 60 27 33 60
Juha Widing 80 26 34 60
Frank St. Marseille 80 17 36 53
Bob Berry 80 25 23 48
Tom Williams 74 24 22 46
Bob Murdoch 80 13 29 42
Gene Carr 80 7 32 39
Mike Corrigan 80 13 21 34
Don Kozak 77 16 15 31
Terry Harper 80 5 21 26
Sheldon Kannegiesser 74 2 23 25
Neil Komadoski 74 4 12 16
Larry Brown 78 1 15 16
Dave Hutchison 68 0 6 6
Vic Venasky 17 1 2 3 0

Totals 269 goals for

Goalies
Rogatien Vachon 54 121 2.24 27w 14L 13t
Gary Edwards 27 61 2.34 15w 3L 8t

Totals 182 goals against

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12-29-2010, 03:33 PM
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I would like to address your first two points.

First of all, I like Martinez. He hustles, he has good ice sense, and he doesn't make mistakes (consistently...there have been a couple of gaffs but it didn't hurt us).

If he is our "weakest link," we will definitely be in great shape.


Rogie Vachon was un-****ing believable. Yes, there is a reason why his jersey is retired and hanging in the raftors. I had the privilege of seeing him play personally and the guy was born to be a goalie. He won the Vezina trophy in 1967-68 with the Canadiens and (IMO) should have won it more times through the 1970s but unfortunately too many Eastern GMs voted for their guys in Montreal and Philadelphia...a case could have really been made for Vachon during the 1974-75 season when the Kings ended up in fourth in the league with 105 points, but he was still passed over.
I completely agree with you about Martinez, that's the point I was trying to make, although it must have not come across very well.

Also, thanks for the insight about Vachon, I wish I could have seen him play once.

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12-29-2010, 04:07 PM
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Would have been cool to see a healthy team in the early 2000's with a top line of Deadmarsh-Allison-Palffy

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Would have been cool to see a healthy team in the early 2000's with a top line of Deadmarsh-Allison-Palffy
This would have been LA's best line since Granato-Gretzky-Sandstrom IMO

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12-30-2010, 04:46 AM
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At least you're not a Cubs fan (I hope!)
Yeah, was thinking about that when I wrote that...

But I am a born-and-bred southern Californian who has basked in plenty of Laker glory. So I guess I can't complain but...

...the Kings are my passion. Got to see them take the Cup...I am always thinking we are "oh so close" then I get rung up on reality when I see them play games this month against Chicago, St. Louis, and Phoenix.

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12-30-2010, 04:49 AM
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not the most talented , no HOF's , no all stars , but quite possible the BEST
team was the 74-75 Kings. They still hold the Team record for most points with 105
( no OT/SO for the extra points ) they had the 4th best record in the league with
3 others all tied for 1st with 113 . 7 20 goal scores , +87 goal diff

18 teams - 12 make the PO's - 4 division winners get a first round bye
first round was a best of 3

Bob Nevin 80 31 41 72
Mike Murphy 78 30 38 68
Dan Maloney 80 27 39 66
Robert "Butch" Goring 60 27 33 60
Juha Widing 80 26 34 60
Frank St. Marseille 80 17 36 53
Bob Berry 80 25 23 48
Tom Williams 74 24 22 46
Bob Murdoch 80 13 29 42
Gene Carr 80 7 32 39
Mike Corrigan 80 13 21 34
Don Kozak 77 16 15 31
Terry Harper 80 5 21 26
Sheldon Kannegiesser 74 2 23 25
Neil Komadoski 74 4 12 16
Larry Brown 78 1 15 16
Dave Hutchison 68 0 6 6
Vic Venasky 17 1 2 3 0

Totals 269 goals for

Goalies
Rogatien Vachon 54 121 2.24 27w 14L 13t
Gary Edwards 27 61 2.34 15w 3L 8t

Totals 182 goals against
Wow, those names took me down memory lane...what a great year that was...then we had that horrible three-game series against Toronto.

If nothing else, we got even with Toronto in 1993, when we ousted them to make it to the Finals.

What goes around comes around.

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I have been following the kings religiously since 1990 and the 92-93 team was the best. The d core was great and the team sported IMO the best group of forwards the kings have ever had.

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I think today's team has a shot at being better but they need to win first
Yeah I was just thinking to myself, who is this team's Pat Conacher?

Just kidding around.

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not the most talented , no HOF's , no all stars , but quite possible the BEST
team was the 74-75 Kings. They still hold the Team record for most points with 105
( no OT/SO for the extra points ) they had the 4th best record in the league with
3 others all tied for 1st with 113 . 7 20 goal scores , +87 goal diff

18 teams - 12 make the PO's - 4 division winners get a first round bye
first round was a best of 3

Bob Nevin 80 31 41 72
Mike Murphy 78 30 38 68
Dan Maloney 80 27 39 66
Robert "Butch" Goring 60 27 33 60
Juha Widing 80 26 34 60
Frank St. Marseille 80 17 36 53
Bob Berry 80 25 23 48
Tom Williams 74 24 22 46
Bob Murdoch 80 13 29 42
Gene Carr 80 7 32 39
Mike Corrigan 80 13 21 34
Don Kozak 77 16 15 31
Terry Harper 80 5 21 26
Sheldon Kannegiesser 74 2 23 25
Neil Komadoski 74 4 12 16
Larry Brown 78 1 15 16
Dave Hutchison 68 0 6 6
Vic Venasky 17 1 2 3 0

Totals 269 goals for

Goalies
Rogatien Vachon 54 121 2.24 27w 14L 13t
Gary Edwards 27 61 2.34 15w 3L 8t

Totals 182 goals against
Excellent call LaFan1967 and Ron!

The playoff system at the time was incredibly unfair - best 2 out of 3 after a full season?

The Kings teams in 1980/81 was scary good, but lost 3-1 in the 1st round to a hot team after putting up 99 points in the regular season

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Wow, those names took me down memory lane...what a great year that was 1974-75...Too bad the Kings lost Serge Bernier, Barry Long and BJ MacDonald to the WHA.We could've been that much better!!! And the Kings had just drafted a young stud by the name of Gary Sargent for the defense...he woould've really developed well under the tutulege of Terry Harper or Bob Murdoch.

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90-91 was The Kings best and deepest team. Take the 92-93 team mentioned above and add Duschene and Robinson on D.

Add Elik and The friendly ghost up front.

People often forget that Gretz was hurt for most of the 92-93 season and Luuuuuuuuuuuuuc wore the C most of the year


Edit- Webster was also 10x the coach Melrose was
I'd have to agree here. While there is sentimental value with the 92-93 Kings simply because they reached the playoffs and did have a very balanced lineup, the 90-91 team was stocked and loaded, as evidenced by their division title in a very tough Smythe division.

They finished 3rd overall with 340 GF and 4th overall with 254 GA and the 6th best PP and PK in the NHL. They were also the 3rd best team in the entire NHL with a .638 winning percentage.

That Kings team had three players hit 40+ goals (Robitaille, Sandstrom and Gretzky) and five others who reached 30-20+ goals (Granato, Taylor, Kudelski, Duchesne and Elik).

The defense was also very productive with Duchesne scoring 62 points, a rookie Rob Blake with 46 points, Marty McSorley with 39 points and Brian Benning with 31 points.

They also had one of the toughest teams in the league with McSorley, Miller, Buskas and an early season acquisition, John McIntyre.

Here's what the lineup looked like for 90-91 to the best of my recollection (do note I was only 9 then)...

Granato-Gretzky-Sandstrom
Robitaille-Elik-Kudelski
Tonnelli-Kasper-Taylor
Donnelly-McIntyre-Miller

Duchesne-Blake
Benning-Robinson
Watters-McSorley

Hrudey-Berthiaume

Scratches: Jones, Watters, Buskas, Halkidis

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