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12-28-2010, 05:24 PM
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I still think Del Zotto is a good QB for this team and will improve in other areas like D as time goes on imo. Its ok to sit young players if there is something to improve upon, although i really dont see what improvements Torts is looking for.

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12-28-2010, 05:31 PM
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yea because Rozsival has done everything to stay in the lineup. scratch Rozsival make him watch and play Del Zotto. why cant Rozsival get scratched for his mistakes
Wow ur a moron imo, Rozi is top 3 D on this team and you want to scratch him. Wow this guy is so underrated on this team its not even funny. The only thing he doesent do at top class is look for the shot more, because he has such a good one. If any one should sit its Eminger or Gilroy and Del Zotto should play.

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12-28-2010, 05:34 PM
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When does Del Zotto have to pass through waivers?

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12-28-2010, 05:40 PM
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yea because Rozsival has done everything to stay in the lineup. scratch Rozsival make him watch and play Del Zotto. why cant Rozsival get scratched for his mistakes
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats

By the numbers, Rozy is gonna have to up his mistakes drastically to be able to challenge Del Zotto.

MDZ is 2-7-9 in 34 games with an even

Rozy is 2-12-14 in 28 games with a +3.

Right now, Rozy is the vastly superior defenseman.

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12-28-2010, 05:42 PM
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Torts didn't sound like sending MDZ down was an immediate possibility. Preference is to work with MDZ. Make his game more simple.


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12-28-2010, 05:51 PM
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The blind biased hate for Gilroy is ridiculous.

For all the crap being thrown around here about Gilroy, he's been better then Del Zotto in his own end, this season.

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12-28-2010, 06:07 PM
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Here's another thing, Del Zotto lost his spot on the point on the PP to Stepan.

So, if he's not good in his own end, and he's not on the top PP unit...

Just saying, this kid has a ways to go to get where they want him to be.

Gilroy has proven the nay-sayers wrong once before: walk on at BU, named captain, leading them to a National Championship. He's a late bloomer. I wouldn't give up on either one of Del Zotto or Gilroy.

I personally hope to see both as Rangers for a long time. Even if Gilroy has to continue to scratch and claw for playing time, he's a mature, smart, leader.

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12-28-2010, 06:44 PM
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Gilroy scored 2 lucky goals against an Islanders team that was awful. The only way Del Zotto should be sent down is if he is sitting for an extended period of time, which I dont think will happen. Gilroy isn't that good.

Torts should play Del Zotto on the bottom pair with Sauer and play Eminger on the 2nd pair. Torts just need to cut down his minutes.
It's amazing how 'fans' will undermine and discount the good play of someone when it threatens the status of another.

I don't care how lucky Gilroy is or how good/bad fans think he is. He is playing the right way and that is worth rewarding. Gilroy earned those 2 goals because he played aggressive, drove through the zone and put shots on net. For a defenseman, you cannot ask for more offensively. I don't care if he can shoot gnats of a pinhead so long as he is playing the game the way the coach asks. Del Zotto has not done that in a long time and Gilroy is doing it right now.

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12-28-2010, 06:51 PM
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one problem with sending him down is that they want him to get away from trying to go for the homerun pass. its not just a confidence issue...so if he goes down to the ahl and because of the skill level he is able to complete that pass several times that re-enforces to him 'hell yeah i can still make that pass' but thats not what they want him to do

he might benefit more from watching videos and practicing then playing against 'lesser' talent in changing that mental approach.

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12-28-2010, 06:53 PM
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I'd feel better about sending him down if it didn't mean skating Rozsival & Eminger together as our 2nd pairing, yikes.
but if torts is going with the same 6 guys than thats not really a factor. they will be playing together regardless. question is if its better for del zotto to be in the press box watching vs playing in hartford

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12-28-2010, 08:44 PM
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Correct, MDZ made the team last year right out of juniors. Because he was under 20, he either needed to make the big club or go back to juniors. No AHL for players under 20, I can't remember if that applies only to kids coming from Canadian junior leagues or North America overall?
As others have said, you are correct about players from Juniors not being able to play in the AHL until they turn 20. However, Del Zotto is eligible to play in Hartford this season, since he turned 20 back in June.

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I think Del Zotto will get another chance to get back in the lineup. However, he's going to have to prove very quickly that he's regained the game that made him NHL ready last year.

And count me in the group (however small) who thinks Gilroy has improved. If he can build on the last couple games--where he's played very well, lucky goals or not-- he will make it very difficult to take him out of the lineup.

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12-28-2010, 09:33 PM
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I think the years of horror have gotten to you all. MDZ is just fine. Going through his 2nd NHL season as a 20 year old as a Dman. Hes supposed to have a bad/learning season. Its part of the learning curve not the short cut to learning. No ahl, just let him be.

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12-28-2010, 10:28 PM
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Would MDZ have to clear waivers?

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12-28-2010, 10:46 PM
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Would MDZ have to clear waivers?
If that's the case, there's no way the Rangers would even dare sending him down. He'd get picked up right away. No way a team passes on a 20 year-old defenseman that has so much potential the MDZ has.

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He would not have to clear waivers. If he had to clear, there would be ZERO discussion about sending him down, as he wouldn't make it past the first team.

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exactly what has gilroy done to deserve this?

he's scored 2 incredibly lucky goals- both off deflections, both essentially own goals.

he's been out of position a great amount these past 2 games. how can you say that del zotto needs to refine his game when gilroy is doing worse?

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exactly what has gilroy done to deserve this?

he's scored 2 incredibly lucky goals- both off deflections, both essentially own goals.

he's been out of position a great amount these past 2 games. how can you say that del zotto needs to refine his game when gilroy is doing worse?
They've both been absolutely putrid defensively for large parts of the season. Neither has contributed anything offensively. I'd say they're pretty even at this point. Obviously, MDZ has a high ceiling. He can also be sent to Hartford without being exposed to waivers, whereas Gilroy is probably gone.

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exactly what has gilroy done to deserve this?

he's scored 2 incredibly lucky goals- both off deflections, both essentially own goals.

he's been out of position a great amount these past 2 games. how can you say that del zotto needs to refine his game when gilroy is doing worse?
Del Zotto has also played on the 2nd pairing against better players while Gilroy has played on the bottom pairing for far fewer games.

Del Zotto has made his mistakes, and hasn't been as dynamic as last year for sure, but I don't think sending him to the A is really going to help him that much.

Also, Gilroy's performance last night and the reaction here reminds me more of Prucha's last few years in NY. Every time he got a game and scored a goal this whole board would blow up and claim that he's back, that he's figured it out, and that the confidence he was playing with would change everything. We'll see I guess, but I don't have very high hopes.

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12-29-2010, 01:40 AM
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Del Zotto has also played on the 2nd pairing against better players while Gilroy has played on the bottom pairing for far fewer games.

Del Zotto has made his mistakes, and hasn't been as dynamic as last year for sure, but I don't think sending him to the A is really going to help him that much.

Also, Gilroy's performance last night and the reaction here reminds me more of Prucha's last few years in NY. Every time he got a game and scored a goal this whole board would blow up and claim that he's back, that he's figured it out, and that the confidence he was playing with would change everything. We'll see I guess, but I don't have very high hopes.
the difference between prucha and gilroy is vast. what happened to prucha his first year benefits of being on the same line as jagr. same can be seen for dubinsky his first year in the league - even though now he's showing he can do it on his own as well as being on a line with the top goal scorer of a team.

prucha directly benefitted from being on the top line. jagr was a great play maker. once prucha was removed from that line it all went down hill. he had to become his own play maker whereas before he just had to capitalize on the chances sent to him AND THAT'S where the problem was. initially, when prucha was on the first line, renney could look past the fact that prucha was very undersized and was always getting thrown around, because he was productive... however when prucha was moved down to the 3rd and 4th lines, lines expected to be high energy ones, prucha was highly ineffective, due to his lack of size and lack of ability to create his own chances.

gilroy on the other hand is fundamentally a poor defenseman. it shows that he was originally a winger, he has that mentality. he's too undersized to be a defenseman. additionally, and more importantly, his positioning is poor on the ice and thus on the defensive end, gilroy has become kind of a liability.

the 2 goals against the islanders are giving everyone false hope. he had 2 lucky breaks. we've all heard the saying "shoot the puck, you never know what can happen". well, on those 2 shots, the puck was deflected by islander players, and roloson couldnt adjust. he didn't do anything spectacularly, he didnt create scoring opportunities, lady luck just looked down upon him. people need to grasp that.

del zotto on the other hand seems to be in the sophmore slump. personally, i'd rather him work out his problems now and improve by the time playoffs roll around. aside from that, what i've noticed with del zotto is his carelessness more so than his inability to be a defenseman. he can hit, his positioning is good when he's focusing, and his passes are good when he makes good decisions. however, it seems to me like sometimes he has poor judgment decisions, or sometimes he loses focus, or maybe it's just a lack of confidence, and thus his contribution to the team is really suffering. i think we see del zotto there within the next 4 games.

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12-29-2010, 07:29 AM
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Here's another thing, Del Zotto lost his spot on the point on the PP to Stepan.

So, if he's not good in his own end, and he's not on the top PP unit...

Just saying, this kid has a ways to go to get where they want him to be.

Gilroy has proven the nay-sayers wrong once before: walk on at BU, named captain, leading them to a National Championship. He's a late bloomer. I wouldn't give up on either one of Del Zotto or Gilroy.

I personally hope to see both as Rangers for a long time. Even if Gilroy has to continue to scratch and claw for playing time, he's a mature, smart, leader.
I don't think Gilroy will be back. Even though he's from NY I don't think he wants to play for Torts anymore and I don't think the Rangers will pay him enough to change his mind. He's asked his agent to try and get him out of there but I guess there are no takers. He will have to take a serious pay cut next season no matter where he ends up.

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I don't think it could hurt. It could have the same affect it did on Callahan when they sent him down earlier in his career.

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I don't think Gilroy will be back. Even though he's from NY I don't think he wants to play for Torts anymore and I don't think the Rangers will pay him enough to change his mind. He's asked his agent to try and get him out of there but I guess there are no takers. He will have to take a serious pay cut next season no matter where he ends up.
My friend grew up with Gilroy's cousin and last year was hearing a lot about how things were going. His cousin told my friend Gilroy doesn't like the coaching staff and added that there was a lot of turmoil in the lockerroom early on. I'm sure the turmoil isn't there anymore considering the Kotalik's of the world are gone, but I doubt Gilroy's feelings have changed much.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...tssPlayerStats

By the numbers, Rozy is gonna have to up his mistakes drastically to be able to challenge Del Zotto.

MDZ is 2-7-9 in 34 games with an even

Rozy is 2-12-14 in 28 games with a +3.

Right now, Rozy is the vastly superior defenseman.
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