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Rolston officially on re-entry waivers [cleared]

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12-29-2010, 03:10 AM
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Yes and no. With 103 days remaining in the 186 day season [55.4%], a team claiming Rolston now would get half of 55.4% contract/cap for the remainder of 10-11. For Rolston that would be salary of $1,384k and cap hit of $1,402k in 2010-2011 for a team that claimed him.

However if you look at Cap Geek to see how much "Cap Space" teams have, that doesn't mean a team with $1.5m in cap space could claim him. The Cap Space figures on capgeek are all prorated to total value of the contract and days remaining in the season, so a team would still need $2.5m in cap space for 2010-2011 to add him if you go by the capgeek numbers.
This is exactly correct. If a team wants to claim Rolston on re-entry, the team has to have at least 2.5M this year AND next year in cap space to add his 2.5M cap hit. With the Wisniewski trade yesterday, I have to think if he's claimed, it'll be by the Islanders. If they don't claim him, I think he clears.

I have a question I was wondering if anyone knows the answer to. How was Rolston assigned to Albany now? He cleared waivers on the 15th of December. That was two whole weeks ago. The Devils kept him on the roster when he cleared and he played after clearing, yet they're allowed to assign him two weeks after clearing? I'm just wondering why they wouldn't have had to waive him again. Unless with waivers you have a certain time period where you can assign to the minors, but TWO WEEKS later? Why didn't they have to waive him again, say yesterday, and have him clear again before he could be assigned to the minors?

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12-29-2010, 10:22 AM
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i think the crap the islanders are pulling with yashin still on the books is cap circumvention. the guys is really good friends with the owner. he still plays at the pro level in the khl where is is a point a game. with the contract they gave him. i wouldnt be 1 bit surprised if the owner knew they wouldnt honor his contract when they signed him. his salary helps them stay above the cap floor. so wouldnt be surprised if they grabbed rolston . plus the other thread about them going after semin. the salary hit to them isnt bad for taking both guys on because they already spend so little.

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12-29-2010, 10:23 AM
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sorry just to be clear. they are honoring his contract i just think they knew there was a good chance they would end up buying him out before his contract was up.

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12-29-2010, 10:37 AM
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RT @kuklaskorner: RT @NHLDevils: Brian Rolston has been placed on re-entry waivers. #njdevils

There was also a tweet earlier that even though Rolston has a NTC, he would accept a trade to any team.

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RT @kuklaskorner: RT @NHLDevils: Brian Rolston has been placed on re-entry waivers. #njdevils

There was also a tweet earlier that even though Rolston has a NTC, he would accept a trade to any team.
Watch him get claimed by the Islanders

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So Wisniewski for Rolston, MTL 2nd and MTL 5th?

I still don't think I'd do that deal if I was the Isles.

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So Wisniewski for Rolston, MTL 2nd and MTL 5th?

I still don't think I'd do that deal if I was the Isles.
I mean it is Snow

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i think the crap the islanders are pulling with yashin still on the books is cap circumvention. the guys is really good friends with the owner. he still plays at the pro level in the khl where is is a point a game. with the contract they gave him. i wouldnt be 1 bit surprised if the owner knew they wouldnt honor his contract when they signed him. his salary helps them stay above the cap floor. so wouldnt be surprised if they grabbed rolston . plus the other thread about them going after semin. the salary hit to them isnt bad for taking both guys on because they already spend so little.
You are watching to much CSI. LOL Yashin was signed to his contract before the lockout and cap, so how would wanger know to sign him to keep the team payroll above the cap floor? I do not disagree with your theory that the Islanders are circumventing the cap. But I feel they do it with 'bonuses' for performance that count that may not be acheived.

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I mean it is Snow
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I have a question I was wondering if anyone knows the answer to. How was Rolston assigned to Albany now? He cleared waivers on the 15th of December. That was two whole weeks ago. The Devils kept him on the roster when he cleared and he played after clearing, yet they're allowed to assign him two weeks after clearing? I'm just wondering why they wouldn't have had to waive him again. Unless with waivers you have a certain time period where you can assign to the minors, but TWO WEEKS later? Why didn't they have to waive him again, say yesterday, and have him clear again before he could be assigned to the minors?
As long as the Rolston has not played 10 NHL games or been on a NHL roster for 30 days since being waived, he doesn't need to be waived again in order to be assigned to Albany.

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The only team I see claiming him are the Isles, and that's only for the sake of his cap hit (could be a cheap way of getting to the floor if they buy him out next year)

Rolston is a shell of his former self, he just simply isn't good anymore. I could see a few teams chancing his 2.5 mil price tag this year to see if he can be a bottom 6 forward/PP option, but that second year remaining is killer. I can't see a team willing to chance on Rolston with that second year.

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12-29-2010, 11:53 AM
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Either Oilers, Leafs or NYI claims him.

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12-29-2010, 12:06 PM
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As long as the Rolston has not played 10 NHL games or been on a NHL roster for 30 days since being waived, he doesn't need to be waived again in order to be assigned to Albany.
Minor tweak: it's more than 30 days, i.e. 31+ days.

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12-29-2010, 12:17 PM
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I think the last thing the Islanders need is to be locked into more wasted money.

They're still paying Yashin 4.7 million, Witt about a million this year and next, and owe one of the worst goalies in the league 4.5 for the next century or so. Adding Rolston, with the way he's played this year, would be like 6-7 million absolutley wasted next year. Not good business.

They have to re-sign Okposo, Grabner, Bailey, Schremp and Comeau as well. Add an actual moderate UFA (or re-sign Moulson and Martinek?) and the bonuses for Niederreiter and De Haan (Larsson?) next year, and this isn't a team that will worried about the cap floor next season. And with their internal budget I don't see room for a completley pointless move like this.

Rolston is near done, Islanders don't spend money and will probably finish dead-last with or without him. Knowing all of this, why the hell would the Islanders claim Rolston? I would be shocked if the Islanders claimed him. If you just want to burn some money there will be far better players available by the deadline.

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I think the last thing the Islanders need is to be locked into more wasted money.

They're still paying Yashin 4.7 million, Witt about a million this year and next, and owe one of the worst goalies in the league 4.5 for the next century or so. Adding Rolston, with the way he's played this year, would be like 6-7 million absolutley wasted next year. Not good business.

They have to re-sign Okposo, Grabner, Bailey, Schremp and Comeau as well. Add an actual moderate UFA (or re-sign Moulson and Martinek?) and the bonuses for Niederreiter and De Haan (Larsson?) next year, and this isn't a team that will worried about the cap floor next season. And with their internal budget I don't see room for a completley pointless move like this.

Rolston is near done, Islanders don't spend money and will probably finish dead-last with or without him. Knowing all of this, why the hell would the Islanders claim Rolston? I would be shocked if the Islanders claimed him. If you just want to burn some money there will be far better players available by the deadline.
are you seriously questioning the judgement of the Islanders? what brought this on?

why claim Rolston? well, this same team has:

- "granted" PA Parenteau the luxury of first line minutes, top PP minutes, having earned NOTHING, EVER.

- continues to audition waiver players in key roles, some of whom you've mentioned in your post.

- continues to cast-off players that have better success on other teams when surrounded by real NHL players (tambellini, bergenheim, nate thompson the three most recent)

Why would the Islanders claim Rolston? to get to the cap floor.

Rolston, as bad as he's been, would still be one of the better players on the Islanders, that's very sad.

In the end, it's a nothing move, whether they get him or not. I'd probably pass - but then again, I would not have spent the money they did (because they HAVE TO) on such a roster to begin with.

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are you seriously questioning the judgement of the Islanders? what brought this on?

why claim Rolston? well, this same team has:

- "granted" PA Parenteau the luxury of first line minutes, top PP minutes, having earned NOTHING, EVER.

- continues to audition waiver players in key roles, some of whom you've mentioned in your post.

- continues to cast-off players that have better success on other teams when surrounded by real NHL players (tambellini, bergenheim, nate thompson the three most recent)

Why would the Islanders claim Rolston? to get to the cap floor.

Rolston, as bad as he's been, would still be one of the better players on the Islanders, that's very sad.

In the end, it's a nothing move, whether they get him or not. I'd probably pass - but then again, I would not have spent the money they did (because they HAVE TO) on such a roster to begin with.


However, we've yet to see the Islanders take advantage of a team needing to shed salary in an attempt to improve themselves whether it be Chicago, Philly, Boston, or now NJ.

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Rolston will not help the Isles - he is completely done. Anyone who has seen him play this year should know that he is not going to be a 20 goal scorer again. He is 37 at the end of a good but hard 21 year career and is signed through next year. What would the Isles do with a 38 year 15 point guy making 2.5mm?

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Rolston will not help the Isles - he is completely done. Anyone who has seen him play this year should know that he is not going to be a 20 goal scorer again. He is 37 at the end of a good but hard 21 year career and is signed through next year. What would the Isles do with a 38 year 15 point guy making 2.5mm?
He is a good PKer and still has his shot and is decent defensively. At the very least he is still a useful special teams player.

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would it make sense for buffalo to take him?

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Have a feeling Leafs will take him

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RT @kuklaskorner: RT @NHLDevils: Brian Rolston has been placed on re-entry waivers. #njdevils

There was also a tweet earlier that even though Rolston has a NTC, he would accept a trade to any team.
Interesting. Rolston wants to play somewhere it seems, if he'll waive the NTC to go to any team. The only problem is if he clears re-entry waivers and a trade is the only option, what team would trade for him and take on the full cap hit of 5M? Unless the Devils ship a sweetener along with Rolston to a team willing to take him, I don't see a trade being made. Either that or a team really needs scoring help and can afford to take on his contract, which I doubt. The Blues need help and they just lost Svatos to the Preds. Could they afford to take a swing at Rolston on re-entry? Again, I doubt it.

If Rolston is claimed, I'll go with my original thoughts that the Islanders will be the team to take him. If they don't, I don't see any team claiming him.

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As long as the Rolston has not played 10 NHL games or been on a NHL roster for 30 days since being waived, he doesn't need to be waived again in order to be assigned to Albany.
Ah, makes sense, I was unaware of this. Thank you very much.

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would it make sense for buffalo to take him?
Unless Rolston can play center and pot some goals, then no.

I don't think Darcy dares to touch that contract. If it expired this summer then maybe, but a cap hit of 2.5M next year is brutal.

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He is a good PKer and still has his shot and is decent defensively. At the very least he is still a useful special teams player.
I don't disagree with that but a 37-38 year old with that skill set is awfully expensive at 2.5mm. I'm just amazed that some fans expect past levels of offensive production from guys hitting their late 30s...

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Unless Rolston can play center and pot some goals, then no.

I don't think Darcy dares to touch that contract. If it expired this summer then maybe, but a cap hit of 2.5M next year is brutal.
Rolston at $2.5 is very fair if he puts up numbers like he did last season and the one before, each with 20 goals.

The whole team sucks this season and everyone was injured.

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at 2.5 I think he's worth a shot even with one year left. Isles would make sense given the cap floor and a vet to help kids

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