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12-22-2010, 07:54 PM
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The rosters for the CHL/NHL Top Prospects game have been announced.
The skills competition and game will take place on January 18th and 19th respectively at the ACC in Toronto.

The rosters are:
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Team Cherry (Red)

Forwards (12):
Sean Couturier, Drummondville Voltigeurs
Phillip Danault, Victoriaville Tigres
Nicklas Jensen, Oshawa Generals
Tomas Jurco, Saint John Sea Dogs
Gabriel Landeskog, Kitchener Rangers
Mark McNeill, Prince Albert Raiders
Matthew Puempel, Peterborough Petes
Rickard Rakell, Plymouth Whalers
Ty Rattie, Portland Winterhawks
Tobias Rieder, Kitchener Rangers
Mark Scheifele, Barrie Colts
Ryan Strome, Niagara IceDogs

Defencemen (6):
Myles Bell, Regina Pats
Scott Harrington, London Knights
Joe Morrow, Portland Winterhawks
Ryan Murphy, Kitchener Rangers
Duncan Siemens, Saskatoon Blades
Tyler Wotherspoon, Portland Winterhawks

Goaltenders (2):
Christopher Gibson, Chicoutimi Sagueneens
David Honzik, Victoriaville Tigres

Team Orr (White)

Forwards (12):
Sven Bartschi, Portland Winterhawks
Daniel Catenacci, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds
Jonathan Huberdeau, Saint John Sea Dogs
Colin Jacobs, Seattle Thunderbirds
Boone Jenner, Oshawa Generals
Lucas Lessio, Oshawa Generals
Shane McColgan, Kelowna Rockets
Vladislav Namestnikov, London Knights
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Red Deer Rebels
Zack Phillips, Saint John Sea Dogs
Brandon Saad, Saginaw Spirit
Vincent Trocheck, Saginaw Spirit

Defencemen (6):
Nathan Beaulieu, Saint John Sea Dogs
Dougie Hamilton, Niagara IceDogs
David Musil, Vancouver Giants
Xavier Ouellet, Montreal Juniors
Stuart Percy, Mississauga St. Michael's Majors
Reece Scarlett, Swift Current Broncos

Goaltenders (2):
Jordan Binnington, Owen Sound Attack
Liam Liston, Brandon Wheat Kings
Like the Subway Series, these games are broadcasted by Rogers Sportsnet and should be streaming for free.
There are so many good players on this roster and this is why you don't just trade away 2nd and 3rd rounders like candy.

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12-23-2010, 07:36 AM
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I am trying to get tickets to the TPG again. It's a great game to attend not only to see the guys on ice but also to chat with all manner of front office types, scouts, and talent evaluators.

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12-24-2010, 12:46 PM
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With Roy injured are we now looking at a top 5 pick?

I have never supported the idea of 'tanking' but Couturier would be exactly what the Sabres need.

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With Roy injured are we now looking at a top 5 pick?

I have never supported the idea of 'tanking' but Couturier would be exactly what the Sabres need.
One would have to think so.

It isn't really tanking, it's just bad luck and being hurt by our own dumb decisions.

Also, title change.

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12-24-2010, 02:14 PM
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If you guys couldn't get Couturier, then who would you like? I'm guessing Landeskog.

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If you guys couldn't get Couturier, then who would you like? I'm guessing Landeskog.
Probably not Landeskog. No more wings. Murphy would be intriguing, because his offensive talents are so ridiculous, but I think they'd do what they had to do to draft Rask or Strome--be it trading back or whatever. They need a center in the worst way.

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Probably not Landeskog. No more wings. Murphy would be intriguing, because his offensive talents are so ridiculous, but I think they'd do what they had to do to draft Rask or Strome--be it trading back or whatever. They need a center in the worst way.
So you would trade back instead of maybe landing Nugent-Hopkins because I could
see the Sabres pick top 3 now.

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12-24-2010, 05:07 PM
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If you guys couldn't get Couturier, then who would you like? I'm guessing Landeskog.
Probably Nugent-Hopkins. I am very intrigued by Rask, too.

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Probably Nugent-Hopkins. I am very intrigued by Rask, too.
Rask isn't top 5, IMO.
If we want him, we should trade down and get more value from our pick.

Also, Ruff is having the Canadian World Juniors team over for dinner tonight.
Looks like he wants to meet our new top prospect.

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12-25-2010, 07:56 AM
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I approve of the thread title change.

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Player to draft from later rounds: Jyrki Jokipakka. Is like the new Toni Lydman in the makings.

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I'm sorry but Courturier does not look like a top overall pick at all. He doesn't even look like a top 10 pick.

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12-30-2010, 02:54 PM
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I'm sorry but Courturier does not look like a top overall pick at all. He doesn't even look like a top 10 pick.
QFT. No doubt I would like to see him in a Sabres uniform, I think if we could just stay in the bottom 4 we will end up with a good centerman...

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If you guys couldn't get Couturier, then who would you like? I'm guessing Landeskog.
I'd take Rask... right now, he's at the top of my list

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I'm sorry but Courturier does not look like a top overall pick at all. He doesn't even look like a top 10 pick.
Well yeah, "Courturier" doesn't look like a top 10 pick because he doesn't exist.
Maybe you mean "Couturier", and if so, are you freaking out because he has 2 points in 3 games at the WJC playing mostly in checking role?

Leading the QMJHL in scoring at 17 (four months played at age 16), all while being incredibly defensively responsible and even being played as a defenseman by Guy Boucher isn't good enough for you?
20 points (2G and a ridiculous 18A, even though his teammates aren't as good as they were last year) in the 6 games prior to the Canadian selection camp isn't good enough either?
Or his over 1.5PPG pace, even though he's not even a month removed from turning 18?

For me, he's done nothing to justify not being a top 2 pick.

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Well yeah, "Courturier" doesn't look like a top 10 pick because he doesn't exist.
Maybe you mean "Couturier", and if so, are you freaking out because he has 2 points in 3 games at the WJC playing mostly in checking role?

Leading the QMJHL in scoring at 17 (four months played at age 16), all while being incredibly defensively responsible and even being played as a defenseman by Guy Boucher isn't good enough for you?
20 points (2G and a ridiculous 18A, even though his teammates aren't as good as they were last year) in the 6 games prior to the Canadian selection camp isn't good enough either?
Or his over 1.5PPG pace, even though he's not even a month removed from turning 18?

For me, he's done nothing to justify not being a top 2 pick.
Well said. He's young and in a limited role with the Nats -- not every guy is out there is Eberle.

To build on your point -- Stamkos had 6 points in 7 games in his first WJC as a reference point.

I'm digging Couturier's game -- he's been effective in a checking role and there's nothing wrong with him not being "the" guy at the moment. That role may well be his next year... but for right now, he's a contributor, not the star and it isn't a cause for concern.

****, Rask, Nugent-Hopkins and Strome didn't make the cut at all... not a knock on them at all. Couturier makes it and is playing his role and is getting cut up.

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Well said. He's young and in a limited role with the Nats -- not every guy is out there is Eberle.

To build on your point -- Stamkos had 6 points in 7 games in his first WJC as a reference point.

I'm digging Couturier's game -- he's been effective in a checking role and there's nothing wrong with him not being "the" guy at the moment. That role may well be his next year... but for right now, he's a contributor, not the star and it isn't a cause for concern.

****, Rask, Nugent-Hopkins and Strome didn't make the cut at all... not a knock on them at all. Couturier makes it and is playing his role and is getting cut up.
Yeah, last night I was just watching his every shift in awe.
He says his biggest weakness is skating?
I loved it last night.
He is a monster on the boards; it seems like no one even dares to touch him.
His hockey sense is just brilliant.

And yeah, Rask wasn't even invited to Sweden's selection camp.
They actually invited a guy I like a lot, Mika Zibanejad, instead of Rask.
I'm sure people would complain about Nugent-Hopkins too if he had made the team because he'd be the 13th forward, so his statistics wouldn't be "good enough" either.
And Strome?
He wasn't invited to the summer orientation camp (for obvious reasons) or the selection camp even though he's on a tear in the OHL thus far, but he's good enough for the top 10 and we all want him?

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Well yeah, "Courturier" doesn't look like a top 10 pick because he doesn't exist.
Maybe you mean "Couturier", and if so, are you freaking out because he has 2 points in 3 games at the WJC playing mostly in checking role?

Leading the QMJHL in scoring at 17 (four months played at age 16), all while being incredibly defensively responsible and even being played as a defenseman by Guy Boucher isn't good enough for you?
20 points (2G and a ridiculous 18A, even though his teammates aren't as good as they were last year) in the 6 games prior to the Canadian selection camp isn't good enough either?
Or his over 1.5PPG pace, even though he's not even a month removed from turning 18?

For me, he's done nothing to justify not being a top 2 pick.
Cool man. Waste a paragraph on me not spelling a French Canadian name correctly. You're the man. And you're last sentence is so wrong. Was the first overall pick his god given right? There are questions about the kid. People wanted to see how he'd preform against top competition, and he's looked average at best. You do have to earn that top spot. It's not just given to you.

In past tournaments, the top picks oozed talent. Kane, Hall, Tavares, Hedman all looked the part. This kid doesn't. He might end up being a good player, but I wouldn't want him first overall. Just my two cents.

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Cool man. Waste a paragraph on me not spelling a French Canadian name correctly. You're the man. And you're last sentence is so wrong. Was the first overall pick his god given right? There are questions about the kid. People wanted to see how he'd preform against top competition, and he's looked average at best. You do have to earn that top spot. It's not just given to you.

In past tournaments, the top picks oozed talent. Kane, Hall, Tavares, Hedman all looked the part. This kid doesn't. He might end up being a good player, but I wouldn't want him first overall. Just my two cents.
Cool, you wasted a paragraph telling me I wasted a paragraph.
His name's in the thread title; there's no excuse to misspell it outside of pure laziness.

Edit: I should also say that I didn't point out your mistake just to be a dick or something.
It's just something that I care about because I have lived my whole life with my last name being misspelled and mispronounced and it has gotten to me over the years I guess.
I've seriously had things given to me by my school and various sports that have had my last name spelled incorrectly.

Who has "oozed" talent so far in the tournament?
The other top draft prospect Adam Larsson?
I watched him try to force multiple passes up the middle that led to horrible turnovers in his own zone.
Sounds the same as the struggles he's been having over in Sweden this year.
There are just as many questions about him and he has looked average too.

The Devils might as well just decide that this is the year to forfeit their first rounder.
There's just no one special enough to go first overall.

You don't draft kids just because of their performance at one tournament, but rather their body of work.
Both Couturier and Larsson have bodies of work that are better than any other draft eligible prospect this year, so they are the best candidates to go first overall.


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I thought Hedman had kind of a rough WJC. Am I remembering wrong?

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I'm sorry but Courturier does not look like a top overall pick at all. He doesn't even look like a top 10 pick.
you're doing it wrong

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Tyler Seguin got cut in his draft year. Any questions?

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I thought Hedman had kind of a rough WJC. Am I remembering wrong?
He didn't have a great tournament, but you could see that his game was more mature than everyone else. You could see why he was being hyped just by his presence. Bigger, stronger, more mature looking, with a great deal of skill. Myers had a nice tournament, but just watching the two at that level, Hedman looked like the real deal and Myers was still more of a question at that time. At least that's how I saw it.

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Couts didn't "impress" me when I went to the Canada-Russia game, but luckily no scout or team judges a potential pick on one viewing... especially when he can't play his game. I think it's impressive someone his age actually made it on the team, Canada isn't usually a team with players who haven't been drafted yet.

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Well, it looks like drafting Jokipakka would need more than later round draft picks. He really might go in round 3 or around that ballpark. However, thinking that the Sabres would draft europeans is a pipe dream.

edit: To everyone who knows nothing about what I am talking about, he is propably the leader of the finnish defense in WJC. And there is also that Vatanen guy who has been way worse than Jokipakka.

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