I'll counter with a cap friendly and - hopefully - a well rounded offer to the different perceived needs for SAN (of which I may be way wrong):
[MTL]
Yannick Weber - RH-D (RFA) - promising puck mover with a heck of a shot - fair defensively but still young and his development has not peaked - Mentored by Boyle he could turn into a gem.
Danny Kristo - RH-RW (NCAA) - Was key to USA.Jr team. Speed & Skill. A very high prospect for MTL.
Rights to Alexei Yemelin (KHL) - LH-D - Has all the requirement of a defensive stalwart - Is proven and recognized in the KHL.
[SAN]
Devin Setoguchi
Thoughts?
This is not a thumbs up or down, but the Sharks have Braun in the minors who is effectively a Weber clone. Demers has the same attributes as well. The Sharks do not need another RH dman who is effective on PP. They are more in the market for an experienced puckmover with defensive abilities (think more along the lines of Gorges).
And again to be clear ... I am not arguing this is the solution. There are large numbers of players that I would prefer well before Beauchemin who is only a partial solution. But actually getting any of the players available and making a trade that isn't sacrificing a top 6 winger or valuable prospects and picks will not be easy. Like SJEasy, I don't think anyone on this board will be happy with the options that we do have prior to the trade deadline. And yes, again, this isn't the best choice.
Just an FYI. I just checked on Yahoo, Sharks record with Wallin out of the lineup is 8-1-1. That is a huge finger pointing at one player. It is also an indicator that the prospect options aren't as bad as one would suppose.
Just an FYI. I just checked on Yahoo, Sharks record with Wallin out of the lineup is 8-1-1. That is a huge finger pointing at one player. It is also an indicator that the prospect options aren't as bad as one would suppose.
Oh jeez. Hopefully that finally shuts up the few Wallin apologists on here.
Just an FYI. I just checked on Yahoo, Sharks record with Wallin out of the lineup is 8-1-1. That is a huge finger pointing at one player. It is also an indicator that the prospect options aren't as bad as one would suppose.
Someone really needs to ask DW at the SotS what his thinking on Wallin was in trading for him and re-signing him to $2.5m with a NTC BEFORE the UFA period started. I get the gentlemens' agreement and all but that is just ridiculous.
This is when I wish San Jose/Bay Area covered hockey like a Canadian city. Someone would have held DW accountable for that by now.
Someone really needs to ask DW at the SotS what his thinking on Wallin was in trading for him and re-signing him to $2.5m with a NTC BEFORE the UFA period started. I get the gentlemens' agreement and all but that is just ridiculous.
This is when I wish San Jose/Bay Area covered hockey like a Canadian city. Someone would have held DW accountable for that by now.
Bad stat from Yahoo 1-2-2 without Wallin. I had to go out of my way to get the numbers (game logs). I still think Wallin was one of the worst pickups that DW has made.
You are right in that the environment can play a big part of a players success, however, are you willing to take that risk at the cost of asset's and 3.8m in cap space? Maybe he'll have a revival here, maybe he won't.
As for the BTN stats, I'd like to hear Easy's analysis of that. It's strange because I've watched him play quite a bit and the stats do not seem to reflect his play.
Pairing him with Boyle is probably the right option, however that leaves you pairing Murray with Vlasic, which is not ideal (I'd rather pair Murray with Demers) or moving Vlasic down to the 3rd pairing with Wallin (back to that terrible pairing again).
Murray nor Vlasic belong on the bottom pairing though and should be getting more ice time than either Demers or Braun, so even those pairing do not really work. Plus a PF will probably point out, Wallin being scratched is pretty unlikely.
Meh. I just don't think either of those is substantially better than what we have now, and it costs us cap space and assets.
We aren't that far apart in not really wanting this as a trade. You just don't want it period, and I am open depending on what we send, and if we sent the right assets away and this is the best we were going to be able to do, I'm OK with it. We will never know what else is out there; doable or not.
Moving Huskins/Mitchell is OK for me ... even giving a pick or prospect down the orginization. As far as cap space, Beauchemin is on an 18 month deal now and we would have to send equal salary back so its not much in cap space especially if we are sending guys like Huskins and Mitchell who earn a little more than they should anyway.
Burke probably isn't going to take Huskins and Mitchell for Beauchemin. But this is the kind of trade that we should all be the happiest with. We can keep good assets like Seto and Stalock instead of sending away multiple assets as we had to do in the Bolye trade.
As far as a Vlasic-Murray pairing, thats a massively better than Wallin-Vlasic. Murray gets a few less minutes making him a better physical player. Vlasic gets the size he needs to help him on the boards and cover his most glaring weakness, and Wallin drops down to play his natural side with Demers. The concept of the trade makes all the D pairings better and thats what you want.
Bad stat from Yahoo 1-2-2 without Wallin. I had to go out of my way to get the numbers (game logs). I still think Wallin was one of the worst pickups that DW has made.
I'll counter with a cap friendly and - hopefully - a well rounded offer to the different perceived needs for SAN (of which I may be way wrong):
[MTL]
Yannick Weber - RH-D (RFA) - promising puck mover with a heck of a shot - fair defensively but still young and his development has not peaked - Mentored by Boyle he could turn into a gem.
Danny Kristo - RH-RW (NCAA) - Was key to USA.Jr team. Speed & Skill. A very high prospect for MTL.
Rights to Alexei Yemelin (KHL) - LH-D - Has all the requirement of a defensive stalwart - Is proven and recognized in the KHL.
[SAN]
Devin Setoguchi
Thoughts?
1) We have promising puck movers. We don't need more. We need capable 2-way puck movers NOW. Not potential ones.
2) Setoguchi has scored 5 goals in his last 7 games. Yeah, he got off to a slow start, but he's improving and he's only 24. And he's also our only legit top-6 replacement right now if someone get injured. Ferriero is a borderline replacement at this point, but IMO has significantly less upside than Seto.
3) Why would we trade a productive player who is in the NHL right now, and who is at least earning his current salary, for two prospects that don't help us now?
Bell at least had the advantages that 1) it was a trade that made sense at the time (and most people lauded it for the fact that Bell should've been a good fit, evne if some people would've rather had Havlat), 2) Bell was not expected to take the career nosedive that he did, 3) and he didn't cost a whole lot to acquire (mid/low pair d-man in Preissing and career AHLer Hennessy). Plus yes he was forced on the Leafs with Toskala in exchange for what became the Couture pick after another trade (although the question becomes what better assets the Sharks could've made out with had they not added the negative value of Bell to that trade)
Wallin was a stupid move at the time that looks stupider now. It's worse. He cost a 2nd in a good draft for a broken down and hurt d-man that couldn't even return to be a shadow of what he once was, never mind that "what he once was" was never anything special in the first place.
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Bell at least had the advantages that 1) it was a trade that made sense at the time (and most people lauded it for the fact that Bell should've been a good fit, evne if some people would've rather had Havlat), 2) Bell was not expected to take the career nosedive that he did, 3) and he didn't cost a whole lot to acquire (mid/low pair d-man in Preissing and career AHLer Hennessy). Plus yes he was forced on the Leafs with Toskala in exchange for what became the Couture pick after another trade (although the question becomes what better assets the Sharks could've made out with had they not added the negative value of Bell to that trade)
Wallin was a stupid move at the time that looks stupider now. It's worse. He cost a 2nd in a good draft for a broken down and hurt d-man that couldn't even return to be a shadow of what he once was, never mind that "what he once was" was never anything special in the first place.
Oh common ..... don't hold back now. Don't make us guess what you think!!!
Wallin was a stupid move at the time that looks stupider now. It's worse. He cost a 2nd in a good draft for a broken down and hurt d-man that couldn't even return to be a shadow of what he once was, never mind that "what he once was" was never anything special in the first place.
The best situation would be for us to sit Wallin, move Murray to the 3rd pairing w/ Braun and let Beauchamin play with Boyle. As a long time Murray supporter, I am going to admit that giving Boyle a more talented partner would make our defense much better.
I also dont think we need to find a new partner for Vlasic. Demers is the perfect fit. I just wish McClellen would stop pairing Wallin with him.
The best situation would be for us to sit Wallin, move Murray to the 3rd pairing w/ Braun and let Beauchamin play with Boyle. As a long time Murray supporter, I am going to admit that giving Boyle a more talented partner would make our defense much better.
I also dont think we need to find a new partner for Vlasic. Demers is the perfect fit. I just wish McClellen would stop pairing Wallin with him.
There would be no point in just sitting Wallin. If you don't want him playing, waiving him would be a better option (unless he waives his NTC). Having a $2.5M guy as a healthy scratch would take up much needed cap space.
