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Rangers Prospect Poll: #3

View Poll Results: Who is the third best Rangers prospect?
Michael Sauer 25 27.78%
Evgeny Grachev 10 11.11%
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen 32 35.56%
Ryan McDonagh 8 8.89%
Dylan Mcilrath 11 12.22%
Christian Thomas 4 4.44%
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01-03-2011, 09:46 PM
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I wonder how many of the people voting for Sauer think he'll be an above average second pairing defenseman. If not, I doubt he's this valuable. A future Eminger should not be a top 3-4 prospect for us.

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01-03-2011, 09:56 PM
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I wonder how many of the people voting for Sauer think he'll be an above average second pairing defenseman. If not, I doubt he's this valuable. A future Eminger should not be a top 3-4 prospect for us.
Sauer has proved this year he is a perfectly capable NHL defensemen. Even if he is only an average (solid) second pairing defensemen, that's already way more valuable than players who have proved nothing and are being voted on purely by their ceiling. So are we talking value here, or ceiling when we vote prospects? Even if it is somewhere between, Sauer probably deserves top 5.

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01-03-2011, 10:00 PM
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Dylan McIlrath

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Werek should already be listed.

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Kreider wighs about 10 lbs more then he's listed, here.

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01-03-2011, 10:08 PM
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Went with MZA. Sauer would be my next choice.

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01-03-2011, 10:22 PM
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01-03-2011, 10:28 PM
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If MZA is a better prospect than McIlrath than he would have been in much higher demand and thus gotten much more money on his deal then he ended up signing for. McIlrath was a consensus top 20 pick and a lot of teams had him in the 5 to 10 range. The opportunity to get a top 10 pick quality player for nothing but cash would cause a market frenzy. MZA did not do that.

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, which for most is based on 5 games of MZA and 0 games of McIlrath, but if you call around the league and field offers you would see that McIlrath is the much more valuable prospect.

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01-03-2011, 10:31 PM
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If MZA is a better prospect than McIlrath than he would have been in much higher demand and thus gotten much more money on his deal then he ended up signing for. McIlrath was a consensus top 20 pick and a lot of teams had him in the 5 to 10 range. The opportunity to get a top 10 pick on the free agent market is worth more than what MZA signed for.

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, which for most is based on 5 games of MZA and 0 games of McIlrath, but if you call around the league and field offers you would see that McIlrath is the much more valuable prospect.
MZA has a contract limit... He was still restricted by an entry level deal

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McIlrath is next for me. Just because Sauer has stayed injury-free for 35 games does not mean he should be the Rangers #3 prospect. My list goes:

MZA
McIlrath
McDonagh
Grachev
Thomas
Sauer
Werek
Hagelin
Weise
Kundratek
Valentenko
Bourque
Fasth
Yogan


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01-03-2011, 10:53 PM
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01-03-2011, 11:01 PM
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I like Sauer ... alot. Just not at #3.

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01-03-2011, 11:25 PM
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McIlrath because typically defensemen with top four potential are more valuable then any other position (in certain circumstances).

So for me after two legit top six forwards in Stepan and Kreider, its gotta be one of McIlrath, McDonagh, or Sauer who I feel the Rangers will push more then Valetenko and Kundratek.

I went with McIlrath because he has the highest ceiling to be of the caliber of a real nasty shut-down top pairing defenseman.

while MZA's ceiling is second line winger, if he improves his strength and skating. And I say second line because Gaborik is clearly going to be top line RW for a while. MZA is better on the RW then LW. And Kreider and Dubinsky will be on the LW.

I went over the MZA skating thing in another thread. He's not a poor skater. But to be as successful as we all hope, he needs to turn his average skating into elite level skating. And its do-able if he works on it specifically and gets the instruction needed (power skating for explosive powerful strides and acceleration as well as higher top end speed, and time with Barb Underhill to get stronger on his edges).

He's a player that will need to work harder then everyone else on and off the ice in order to be successful and have a long NHL career. He's at a disadvantage by default due to his size. Let's see how he comes into camp in September. If he puts the effort into strength training and his skating.

Stepan needs to work on the same things. Core strength and skating. But he has good size, so he isn't at a disadvantage like MZA.

Del Zotto needs to focus primarily on his overall play in his own end.

So on...

Until I see that improvement, personally for me, can't vote for MZA that high. But I can understand why others would. He has elite level vision. High IQ. Great character and work ethic. But I want to see him go to the next level, next season. And to do that, this summer he needs those two things (core strength and skating) to improve to elite levels, like St. Louis, who I think he can be like, if he gets those two things this summer.


Stepan
Kreider
McIlrath
Sauer
McDonagh
Werek
Thomas
Zuccarello
Hagelin
Horak
Kundratek
Valentenko
Weise
Bourque
Fasth
Grachev
Yogan
Talbot

I rank Thomas higher because he's bigger then MZA. He could get to about Callahan's size. And if he does, Thomas could be legit.

Hagelin over Horak, because if both of their offense doesn't translate, Hagelin can still fill a defensive role, which is most likely his ceiling anyway. Horak, if he doesn't translate the offense, won't be in the league.

Then law of defensemen with higher value.

Weise as a bottom six grinder.

Bourque if his size doesn't stop him, it probably will.

Fasth, has potential to move up in the summer rankings.

Grachev has dropped down for now. He still has a lot of potential. He's very young. Could end up being a late bloomer like Boyle. But will the Rangers have enough patience? That's my concern.

Yogan has potential, but we have to wait to see it. He's injured.

Talbot. A young goalie has some value if he progresses at all.

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01-03-2011, 11:32 PM
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Voted for Chris Thomas even though I know he won't win this round because I want to come back here a year or two from now and say, "See, I was the first one to recognize his talent."

Also because he has the most upside of any of our remaining players. I don't think anyone would be shocked if he became a first liner. He may not be guaranteed that, but I like high-risk, high-return prospects.

The guy scores almost every game in the OHL, a good defensive league. This isn't like running up your point total in the QMJHL.

He will likely have 90-100 points. I know his size is a concern, but there are plenty of offense-first players his size who've had very successful careers.

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How many times have you watched Christian Thomas play????

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01-04-2011, 12:02 AM
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LOL, a lot of us recognize the talent Thomas possesses. That's why he'll go in that next few votes. You're gonna say, "I told you so!" because you rank him third and others rank him sixth? That's quite a limb you're stepping out on!

We go through this every time we poll--different people have different voting criteria. Some people favor readiness and "safety" over pure upside.

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Have to say, it's a little satisfying seeing Sauer be the #3 or #4 prospect after always complaining in previous prospect polls about how he was being criminally underrated.

He's a big part of this team's future.

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01-04-2011, 01:55 AM
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LOL, a lot of us recognize the talent Thomas possesses. That's why he'll go in that next few votes. You're gonna say, "I told you so!" because you rank him third and others rank him sixth? That's quite a limb you're stepping out on!

We go through this every time we poll--different people have different voting criteria. Some people favor readiness and "safety" over pure upside.
Yup...

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Sauer for me. Kid is really turning into exactly what we hoped. Always had the potential, just not the luck in the health department.

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Sauer, simply because he's the only guy left on the list who has proven that he is an NHL-player. In my mind, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, and by that logic, only Kreider is a special enough prospect to be counted as twice as good as Sauer.

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