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01-04-2011, 06:26 AM
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Bergeron's legacy will always be that he let Leetch do whatever he wanted.
Bergeron would scream at Leetch "We need you Brian" encouraging him to join the rush and carry the puck looking to create offense. Don't worry about playing defense. Just go.

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01-04-2011, 06:27 AM
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I believe Schoenfeld called him a smaller Marc Staal.
Gordie Clark called McDonagh a smaller Staal.

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another case of an underager being rushed up too early. would've been much simpler to keep him back in london last year.
Really good point. Unless the young player is a Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos talent, it seems a teenager is going to struggle tremendously with some flashes of brilliance.

I have no idea how teams who are re-building just throw multiple teenagers to the wolves and expect them to succeed. Confidence seems to be a fine line in the NHL. MDZ had it last year and so far he does not have it this year.

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01-04-2011, 07:10 AM
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I think a move for a lefty Dman is close. They obviously have issues with the 2nd pairing DZ who is down for now and Rozy.

I would be pretty good if they can somehow move Rozy in a deal for a equally good UFA dman

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01-04-2011, 10:02 AM
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I think a move for a lefty Dman is close. They obviously have issues with the 2nd pairing DZ who is down for now and Rozy.

I would be pretty good if they can somehow move Rozy in a deal for a equally good UFA dman
So we need a second-pairing dmen and you want to move Rozsival now that MDZ has been demoted? Dou you ever make sense when you post?

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01-04-2011, 10:05 AM
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I think a move for a lefty Dman is close. They obviously have issues with the 2nd pairing DZ who is down for now and Rozy.

I would be pretty good if they can somehow move Rozy in a deal for a equally good UFA dman
1) You've thought move for a lefty d-man has been close since the end of training camp.

2) Why would any team trade for Rozsival and give back an equally good defenseman with an expiring contract?

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01-04-2011, 10:51 AM
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Really good point. Unless the young player is a Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos talent, it seems a teenager is going to struggle tremendously with some flashes of brilliance.

I have no idea how teams who are re-building just throw multiple teenagers to the wolves and expect them to succeed. Confidence seems to be a fine line in the NHL. MDZ had it last year and so far he does not have it this year.
So then how does keeping him in London last year, when you're telling me he had confidence at an NHL level, change anything?

MDZ will be fine, and if he isn't he didn't have the psyche to make it in the NHL.

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01-04-2011, 11:06 AM
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Bringing MDZ to the NHL last season was the right move, he's NHL-quality right now, even at 20.

The problem was that the organization expected him to keep working on his game and fix the errors within it that were shown last year, and he didn't.

Hopefully the wakeup call demotion works.

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01-04-2011, 11:29 AM
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I would rather see him play then just practice with the team.Even if Gilroy has played well in the last few games(except for O.T in T.B)why not see what McD brings to the table--it worked with Sauer.I say let me play in 5 games or so get his feet wet then bring MDZ back(if his game turns around)maybe McD stays or goes back to the Whale or maybe Sather see's what we got and looks to deal Gilroy or Rosi.

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01-04-2011, 11:32 AM
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torts says that Gilroy will get the start on Weds.

i may be in a minority on these boards, but i welcome this. Gilroy has looked more and more competent in the last few games. he may not be an offensive threat yet, but he is becoming reliable and safe in his own end. i think he deserves a stretch with the team now to see how much he has improved.
Gilroy looks like he's actually 6'2" out there this year, and not 5'10". He's playing a lot more sound game all around. If he didn't have the shot of a pee-wee hockey player I'd feel a lot better about him.

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01-04-2011, 11:43 AM
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Gilroy looks like he's actually 6'2" out there this year, and not 5'10". He's playing a lot more sound game all around. If he didn't have the shot of a pee-wee hockey player I'd feel a lot better about him.
I will say he playing better but 6'2"---he doesn't hit and I agree has no shot--still looks like the 5'10" guy to me.

quick question would you rather have Gilroy or Vtank(he has a shot that Gilroy would be jealous of).

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01-04-2011, 12:02 PM
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I will say he playing better but 6'2"---he doesn't hit and I agree has no shot--still looks like the 5'10" guy to me.

quick question would you rather have Gilroy or Vtank(he has a shot that Gilroy would be jealous of).
Right now, I'd still rather have Gilroy. Give Vtank a year in the A.

The difference to me is he looks like he's trying to engage opponents and isn't shying away from the rough spots on the ice. He's standing guys up more than he is collapsing around the blue line as well.

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01-04-2011, 12:33 PM
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Bringing MDZ to the NHL last season was the right move, he's NHL-quality right now, even at 20.

The problem was that the organization expected him to keep working on his game and fix the errors within it that were shown last year, and he didn't.

Hopefully the wakeup call demotion works.
What exactly do you consider to be his "errors"?

Coming into the year all we heard from the coaching staff is how they want MDZ to be free to try to create offense, and not worry so much about the defensive side of the game...like they did with Leetch when he was younger. Now we are hearing that he needs to learn how to make the simple play and not worry too much about what's going on up ice.

In my opinion, the real problem is that he's no longer much of an offensive force. I think everyone, including the coaching staff, would be OK with his spotty defense if it was somewhat offset by creating offensive opportunities. It isn't and so he's going down to the minors to try to find it again.

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01-04-2011, 12:34 PM
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Spoke for a while with Ryan McDonagh who could not praise Wade Redden more if he tried! Redden was his road roommate and defense partner

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McDonagh: "Redds has unbelievable attitude...he helped me a lot, on the ice & with the mental things...great leader & tremendous guy"

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01-04-2011, 12:56 PM
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Spoke for a while with Ryan McDonagh who could not praise Wade Redden more if he tried! Redden was his road roommate and defense partner

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McDonagh: "Redds has unbelievable attitude...he helped me a lot, on the ice & with the mental things...great leader & tremendous guy"
Never though Redden was a bad guy. His game was diminished.

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Never though Redden was a bad guy. His game was diminished.
I agree fully. I was just putting that there so people realize he isn't a money-grubbing *****.

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01-04-2011, 01:46 PM
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I think its the best way for MDZ. I think he will gain more confidence there and find the way back to his game and get consitent. But i had prefered VTank instead of McD as a Callup. Im curious about wednesdays game and hope we grind out a w. Lets see what McD has to offer.

Btw nice quote of him about Redden...

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01-04-2011, 02:38 PM
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MDZ will be back either when Rozi is traded or Eminger falters; btw he's beginning to play poorly. By year's end our six D will be:

Staal
Girardi
Sauer
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MDZ
Gilroy/Kundratek

Three lefties and three righties; the way it should be.
I like the idea of giving the kids a shot. However, teams looking to push for the playoffs usually add vets rather than dropping them and I don't know if the Rangers want a bunch of kids on the blueline going into the POs, although I don't necessarily have a problem with it so long as they're pushing the vets out of the way.

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I like the idea of giving the kids a shot. However, teams looking to push for the playoffs usually add vets rather than dropping them and I don't know if the Rangers want a bunch of kids on the blueline going into the POs, although I don't necessarily have a problem with it so long as they're pushing the vets out of the way.
Staal and Girardi would have to play 35+ minutes a night each in order for the team to have any chance of winning.

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I think its the best way for MDZ. I think he will gain more confidence there and find the way back to his game and get consitent. But i had prefered VTank instead of McD as a Callup. Im curious about wednesdays game and hope we grind out a w. Lets see what McD has to offer.

Btw nice quote of him about Redden...
He's not playing.

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Thought this was intresting

Torts on youthful squad: "I couldn't be happier with our youth...I'm not afraid to put them in...couldn't be more excited"-NYR Website

Just reassuring that the coach feels just as confident even though we have the injury bug at this time.

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01-04-2011, 03:52 PM
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The biggest thing for me is to get some games under me, play some minutes and try to get my game back to where it used to be, the 6-foot-1, 195-pound Del Zotto said after a 90-minute practice and workout in preparation for his Whale debut Wednesday night in Worcester, Mass. I think confidence is the biggest thing. Things havent gone as smoothly or come as easily as they maybe came last year, especially offensively, so I just want to get my confidence back.

When Im playing with confidence, I know I belong. Its a lot easier said than done in most cases, but its a matter of making plays, simplifying my game and letting the game come to me. When that happens, the rest falls into place.
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Its amazing how it works when youre making a few of those simple, 10-15-foot passes rather than the home-run passes, Del Zotto said. It opens things up when youre not forcing it and not always looking for that. Youre not going to be able to make the perfect play or perfect pass every single shift. You have to take what the game presents and just move on from there.

So basically its just simplifying, and taking what the game offers. Last year it came pretty easy for me for whatever reason, but this year has been a bit tougher. Last year I just came in with a swagger and confidence that I belonged and just kind of ran with it. I didnt know what to expect. I was 19 years old, and you just come in so enthused with a smile on your face learning new things every day. Im still young and just trying to get better and better every day.
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01-04-2011, 04:33 PM
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I like this move. MDZ has no confidence, while MacD deserves a shot. I thought MacD had a much better camp than Del Zotto anyway.

Still, MDZ is a cornerstone of this franchise. I can definitely see him being a 50-point a year guy for us.

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Spoke for a while with Ryan McDonagh who could not praise Wade Redden more if he tried! Redden was his road roommate and defense partner

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McDonagh: "Redds has unbelievable attitude...he helped me a lot, on the ice & with the mental things...great leader & tremendous guy"


I wouldn't talk **** either if I had to live with the guy on the road. Hell, Redden probably buys him lots of stuff, too. I suck up to my rich friends too!

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Bergeron would scream at Leetch "We need you Brian" encouraging him to join the rush and carry the puck looking to create offense. Don't worry about playing defense. Just go.
I cringe at the fact that bringing Bergeron over probably cost us Roenick or Selanne or Brindamour, but I think he never got enough credit letting Granato and Leetch (and later Turcotte and Miller) be themselves for one season.

Even though they were 1st round casualties, the 1988-89 rangers were young and a lot of fun to watch

As for Del Zotto, I see a lot of the early 90s Scott Niedermayer in him. Nidermayer was a thoroughbred but he made a lot of mistakes. He finally opened peoples eyes with the goal in the 1995 Finals. But before that, his defensive shortcomings were overlooked because a) he played in a defensive system and b) had three of the best defensive defensemen of the era playing alongside him.

Poor Del Zotto. There is nobody there to mentor this kid. Must have been nice for Niedermayer to come up with a team with two hall of fame defensemen in the locker stalls next to his.

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