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01-06-2011, 02:06 PM
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Kreider's absolute low-side is similar, not identical to Sjostrom.

His high side is more of an Amonte.

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01-06-2011, 02:29 PM
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Kreider's absolute low-side is similar, not identical to Sjostrom.

His high side is more of an Amonte.
I disagree, Fitz. IMO, Kreider's floor is a solid, 3rd line checking forward. Sjostrom is a 4th liner.

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01-06-2011, 02:34 PM
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I disagree, Fitz. IMO, Kreider's floor is a solid, 3rd line checking forward. Sjostrom is a 4th liner.
For argument's sake, Sjostrom was the 11th pick his draft year and was projected to be a lot more then what he is now.

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01-06-2011, 02:41 PM
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For argument's sake, Sjostrom was the 11th pick his draft year and was projected to be a lot more then what he is now.
And, Hugh Jessiman was the 12th pick in his draft year and was projected to be a more than he is now. Should I be okay with Jessiman comparisons, too?

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And, Hugh Jessiman was the 12th pick in his draft year and was projected to be a more than he is now. Should I be okay with Jessiman comparisons, too?
I'm just saying that it's still not certain that Krieder will make it, and that if he makes it, he could still only be a 4th liner. As good as a prospect he is, he is still a prospect. For the record, I'm a big fan of Krieder and was ecstatic when we drafted him.

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I'm just saying that it's still not certain that Krieder will make it, and that if he makes it, he could still only be a 4th liner. As good as a prospect he is, he is still a prospect. For the record, I'm a big fan of Krieder and was ecstatic when we drafted him.
No, you're right, there's no guarantee, but, let's just say I'd be very surprised if Kreider was only a 4th liner, especially given his hands and his shot. Gordie Clark called him a natural goal-scorer, and when you watch, that's what you see. The quickness of his release, the velocity he gets on his shot, and his patience...it's all there.

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I think we're only seeing the beginning of Kreider's full pro game. He looks a bit uneven playing amongst kids, that'll change once he gets to play in the pros where I think the game suits him.

I like him a lot, he just needs time. The ability is there, just needs some polishing and he'll be good to go.

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01-06-2011, 03:39 PM
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Comparing Kreider to the fully developed Sjostrom that we know today is basically a nice way of saying he will bust at the NHL level... Sjostrom is the complete opposite of what Kreider projects to be if he reaches his potential... Sjostrom is a 4th liner on any team with depth and is good at killing penalties, that's it... The most you can count on him for at even strength is some mindless cycling in the offensive zone that doesn't generate anything and perhaps some good back-checking.... That's about it...


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For argument's sake, Sjostrom was the 11th pick his draft year and was projected to be a lot more then what he is now.
wow, I did not realize Sjostrom was the 11th pick in his draft? I guess if shows how to tough it is to predict what a 18 year old prospect will develop at the NHL level.

Sjostrom does have GREAT wheels so I can see why he was perhaps drafted that high. Wasn't Dvorak a first rounder who had GREAT wheels and never developed as anticipated?

Kreider has GREAT wheels also, hopefully he will have a better career than these players.

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I really don't understand why Sjostrom's name keeps coming up in discussions/comparisons about Chris Kreider... The only attribute they have in common is skating.... What else is similar about the two players? Sjostrom has poor hands, an average shot at best, no net/slot presence, and doesn't finish plays....
Though he doesn't play center a more accurate comparison of former Massachusetts forwards is Tkachuk and Guerin, not Amonte and Guerin. Amonte was never considered a power forwad which Kreider, Tkachuk and Guerin in fact are/were. Being from Greater Boston and having seen all Mass players going back to Richie Hebner, the players I think he takes after the most are Stevens & Tkachuk. Krieder just has flat out better hands than Guerin ever did.

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01-06-2011, 04:57 PM
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Kreider is the type of player that will bloom under Torts.

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01-06-2011, 05:24 PM
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Kreider reminds me a lot of Owen Nolan.

And if I'm right, that's a very good thing.

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01-06-2011, 05:32 PM
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wow, I did not realize Sjostrom was the 11th pick in his draft? I guess if shows how to tough it is to predict what a 18 year old prospect will develop at the NHL level.

Sjostrom does have GREAT wheels so I can see why he was perhaps drafted that high. Wasn't Dvorak a first rounder who had GREAT wheels and never developed as anticipated?

Kreider has GREAT wheels also, hopefully he will have a better career than these players.
How bout them Islanders?

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01-06-2011, 05:47 PM
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Kreider reminds me a lot of Owen Nolan.

And if I'm right, that's a very good thing.
OK, your bait has caught something...explain yourself. My first thought is the hands.

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Me and another poster (Fitz I think), thought Jeff Carter to some degree... Kreider is a better skater and definitely has less play-making ability than Carter, but in terms of how he carries himself on the ice, the hard-shot/release, and the finish ability, there's some comparables there.

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01-06-2011, 06:17 PM
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Thomas with a goal halfway through the first period...

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Thomas with a goal halfway through the first period...
Nice... No goals in his previous 2 games IIRC.

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01-06-2011, 09:07 PM
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Anyone have a report on Fasth from the WJC?

I didn't get a chance to see any of his games...

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Goal and an Assist for Thomas tonight.

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I'm surprised RangerBoy hasn't posted this yet...

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hoc...-world-juniors

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McIlrath is a +3 on the night so far against Kelowna. Just started the 3rd period.

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I'm surprised RangerBoy hasn't posted this yet...

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hoc...-world-juniors
Nice find.

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Anyone have a report on Fasth from the WJC?

I didn't get a chance to see any of his games...
I think he played a good tournament. Strong on the puck, drives hard to the net and sees the ice well. In my opinion he´s very very dangerous when he gets the puck.

Here´re Jesper´s stats of last WJC:

6 Ga 4 G 2 A 6 Pts 0 PIM +4 +/-

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Ola is the only poster I've seen draw comparisons between Kreider and Sjostrom. I cannot figure it out, either. Kreider's hands are so much faster and softer. He also shows a great deal of patience with his shot.
At the same age Sjöström was a 11th overall pick, and who early on was even mentioned as a potential 1st overall pick up there with Kovalchuk and Spezza in his draft year.

I know Lundqvist used to say that Sjöström also had the best wrister on the team, and he was pretty good in SO's too.

Have Sjöström done a lot with his career? No. Do I think Kreider have the potential to do more with his career -- certainly.

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OK, your bait has caught something...explain yourself. My first thought is the hands.
Hands definitely but more about the way he moves so effortlessly. Very compact skating style for a big guy. No wasted motion.

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