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01-08-2011, 12:24 PM
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Neither team are looking to trade away prospects.
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and with the way those Sens prospects are looking, they'd be foolish to trade them

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01-08-2011, 12:31 PM
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Another crazy Edm fan proposal. Who would have guessed?

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01-08-2011, 12:42 PM
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He's going to be 6'5 250 some day..19 year olds at 6'5 235 don't usually play in the WJC let alone used as the main defensive match up guy.

Your the same team that held him around the same regard as Victor Hedman.

Kevin Prendergast (your ex-Asst GM and current HC Head Scout)
“Was probably the best defenceman at the Memorial Cup last year as an underage player. He's a can't-miss player. Very similar to Hedman. Not as good a skater as Hedman is but he's physical, takes care of business in his own end. The obviously negative thing is he's missed almost a whole season. It's a knee problem - those situations take about a year to come back from but someone's going to obviously take him (early in the draft)."
There's a difference between comparing the playing style of two players and holding them in the same regard...

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01-08-2011, 01:20 PM
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I thought getting rid of Kovalev would have been a bonus for you...
We're two months from the trade deadline. Kovalev will be traded for positive value now, so you're not doing us any favours by taking him at a cost to us.

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01-08-2011, 01:26 PM
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This guy sounds brilliant. That being said, you're the same team that picked Jared Cowen ahead of either of these guys.
And if the draft was re-done I'm sure we'd make the same selection over again.

Sorry if I'm not ecstatic of trading Rundblad, Silfverberg for "the next Kopitar/Backstrom" that's on pace for less than 30 points.

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01-08-2011, 01:37 PM
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And if the draft was re-done I'm sure we'd make the same selection over again.

Sorry if I'm not ecstatic of trading Rundblad, Silfverberg for "the next Kopitar/Backstrom" that's on pace for less than 30 points.
I wouldn't trade the paajarvi for a cory cross either.

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01-08-2011, 01:42 PM
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Ottawa should stick to their Swedish prospects, they are both good ones.

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01-08-2011, 01:43 PM
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I wouldn't trade the paajarvi for a cory cross either.
I would guess so as Cross is retired and hasn't played in the NHL since 05/06

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01-08-2011, 01:45 PM
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I would guess so as Cross is retired and hasn't played in the NHL since 05/06
Jared Cowen.

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Jared Cowen.
What about him?

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01-08-2011, 02:21 PM
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this topic has been beaten to a dead horse, but just because one of the senators scouts overlooked on a player, doesn't mean he's crap.

oilers have a great scouting team and they saw paajarvi as something special, at the time the oilers needed a big winger with speed because there was an expense of small and slow smurfy players.

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01-08-2011, 02:28 PM
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To CGY:
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Cogliano or Brule

To EDM:
Tim Erixon
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Calgary says no.

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01-08-2011, 02:43 PM
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There's a difference between comparing the playing style of two players and holding them in the same regard...
Their playing styles aren't worth comparing.

"He's a cant-miss player. Very similar to Hedman."

When a 16 year old emerges in the Memorial Cup and is projected to be a mobile 6'5 250...it's a very enticing package even if an offensive game does not emerge. If you go back, your not going to find many 6'5 230+ defensemen run powerplays and produce 45 points in the WHL. His skating and stick handling should improve with his size over the next 5 years.

Look at what Volchenkov is, then consider Cowen has better mobility and covers 4-5 inches of height worth more range...and likely will have better hands and a better shot.


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01-08-2011, 02:48 PM
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this topic has been beaten to a dead horse, but just because one of the senators scouts overlooked on a player, doesn't mean he's crap.

oilers have a great scouting team and they saw paajarvi as something special, at the time the oilers needed a big winger with speed because there was an expense of small and slow smurfy players.
His package of size, speed and effort make him a good NHLer by 19-20 but his hand skills and lack of shiftyness puts limits on his scoring potential and he probably ends up a glorified version of Shean Donovan. The red flags on his finish are legitimate, in 2009 I wanted him. Just hope Paajarvi doesn't get hurt because you take away his speed and he turns into Milan Michalek at best. I mean, if your going to call Cowen Cory Cross.

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01-08-2011, 03:00 PM
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I figured the Sens would be getting a bit low-balled on that one. Is there anything the Oilers could add to the package (other than the Big3, Gagner, Marincin, Whitney, or Petry) that would make it more suitable? I thought getting rid of Kovalev would have been a bonus for you...
Well, if Kovalev had five years left on his deal or something, then it would be a bonus, yeah. But he's a UFA at the end of the season and we can afford to pay him until then. Certainly we're not going to damage the team's future just to get off the hook for a couple million.

Hemsky is an awesome player when he's healthy, but no one on Ottawa can score goals, so he's not as great a fit as he would be elsewhere. We're also all but out of playoff contention now, and so improving the team for this season makes little sense because we'd be better off adding a guy like RNH or Landeskog through the draft. Plus, considering that 3 of our most key players are in their mid-to-late 30s, it's unlikely we'd be a contender in the next couple of seasons. We're going to have to rebuild, and having a guy like Rundblad - and perhaps to a lesser extent Silfverberg - is helpful in that regard.

So yeah, outside of that list of players you've mentioned, the only thing that would make this deal tenable from a Sens' perspective would be the Oilers' first round pick. But obviously that's not happening.

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01-08-2011, 03:11 PM
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did you forget the

Even I as a Sens fan dont even think about those 3 players with the included package of: David Rundblad, Jakob Silfverberg & Alexei Kovalev
Then you don't really know or have watched a minute of either prospect.

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01-08-2011, 03:37 PM
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Ottawa says no thanks unless we are getting one of Hall, MPS, or Eberle.
You are so funny thinking that what you are offering is worth one of them. I wouldn't even offer any of them for Cowen.

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pass on the sens side because you tried to sneak silf in there.

Hemsky-rundblad/kovy might actually work though.

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You are so funny thinking that what you are offering is worth one of them. I wouldn't even offer any of them for Cowen.
Mps is way overated, sure he is fast and can score the odd goal but he isnt that special ,cowen has the better chance at reaching his full potential which is a elite top 4 physical shut down defender.And to the edmonton fans that claim we missed a player in MPS

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Mps is way overated, sure he is fast and can score the odd goal but he isnt that special ,cowen has the better chance at reaching his full potential which is a elite top 4 physical shut down defender.And to the edmonton fans that claim we missed a player in MPS
Please just stop. You're talking about 20 year old players and trying to tell us you know that your prospect will have the better career? Seriously?

We need to just stop these proposals...it's obvious we aren't moving guys like Hall, Ebs, MP, or Petry and the Sens don't want to move Cowen or Rundblad...not really all that surprising considering what both team needs and how well all of them are playing right now

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Cowen very well could be a solid nhl player.

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01-08-2011, 04:05 PM
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Please just stop. You're talking about 20 year old players and trying to tell us you know that your prospect will have the better career? Seriously?

We need to just stop these proposals...it's obvious we aren't moving guys like Hall, Ebs, MP, or Petry and the Sens don't want to move Cowen or Rundblad...not really all that surprising considering what both team needs and how well all of them are playing right now
Fair enough but all we here out of edmonton is trash about cowen and how superior MPS is and will forever will be when compared to cowen.

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Fair enough but all we here out of edmonton is trash about cowen and how superior MPS is and will forever will be when compared to cowen.
Well, anyone that says that is stupid too

Both players have a lot of potential to great NHLer players and I think both teams have a need for the other one...who knows who will be better, but both teams should be pretty excited about them going forward

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Well, anyone that says that is stupid too

Both players have a lot of potential to great NHLer players and I think both teams have a need for the other one...who knows who will be better, but both teams should be pretty excited about them going forward
Thats it i dont have anything against edmontons nice collection of forwards but i just wish that edmonton fans would realise that ottawa has some of the best younger defensive prospects going ,and given the state of our current team we would not be looking to move them for higher placed tallent.But for equal or greater value forward prospects

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To OTT:
Ales Hemsky
Cogliano or Brule

To EDM:
David Rundblad
Jakob Silfverberg
Alexei Kovalev

Done in a second. Massive overpayment from Edmonton. A young point a game player and another solid roster player for 2 players that might not ever see the NHL and a salary dump.

And to people saying Ottawa should be in a rebuild, that's not going to happen. Melnyk wouldn't allow it.

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