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01-08-2011, 04:27 PM
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the other thing with atlanta is you have an already fickel fanbase that is transient and doesn't support any of the sports teams there...

couple that with the only hott ticket being the hawks and the playoff falcons...the thrashers need to wait in line...oh and they're the only major team in atlanta to not make the playoffs in the last calendar year...

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01-08-2011, 04:58 PM
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Every Monday afternoon, I do a 4 hour new hire orientation. Lately we have up to 20 people being hired each week. And every week, I ask if anyone knows who Rick Nash is? Maybe 10% of people know who he is. About 25% know there is an NHL franchise in Ohio. .
... OR it could be that your trainees hate that "raise your hand if you..." game. Lots of adults, and those outside of third grade refuse to join that clever group participation tactic.

... and in general, not pointed at you Blitz, I am simply cautioning that outward emotion doesn't necessarily indicate what fire burns inside a player. Ala the RJ for captain movement.

If that is the best indicator, after the stick breaking on the goal, head pounding with his own stick demonstrations, Jake should have been named captain, No?

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01-08-2011, 05:09 PM
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... OR it could be that your trainees hate that "raise your hand if you..." game. Lots of adults, and those outside of third grade refuse to join that clever group participation tactic.

... and in general, not pointed at you Blitz, I am simply cautioning that outward emotion doesn't necessarily indicate what fire burns inside a player. Ala the RJ for captain movement.

If that is the best indicator, after the stick breaking on the goal, head pounding with his own stick demonstrations, Jake should have been named captain, No?
About 24% of US Adults have no interest in sports at all.
Only slightly more than 12% (1 in 8) are fans of NHL hockey.
Given that, those results are plausible but not a failure of awareness. In fact, the Columbus DMA routinely ranks in the top 10 in U.S. TV viewership for big hockey events.

The problem is the people who know the CBJ exists also know we suck.

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01-08-2011, 05:15 PM
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About 24% of US Adults have no interest in sports at all.
Only slightly more than 12% (1 in 8) are fans of NHL hockey.
Given that, those results are plausible but not a failure of awareness. In fact, the Columbus DMA routinely ranks in the top 10 in U.S. TV viewership for big hockey events.

The problem is the people who know the CBJ exists also know we suck.
But we have Rick Nash.

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01-08-2011, 05:25 PM
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And to think there was a time that mentioning trading Nash would get you some massive hate.

Nash appears to be in one of his patented slumps. Earlier in the year he look determined.

I'd trade him for an elite center or a true #1 puck mover. But I would have done that two years ago.

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... and in general, not pointed at you Blitz, I am simply cautioning that outward emotion doesn't necessarily indicate what fire burns inside a player. Ala the RJ for captain movement.

If that is the best indicator, after the stick breaking on the goal, head pounding with his own stick demonstrations, Jake should have been named captain, No?
If you think that is all its about, I dont' think you're paying attention.

In our ill-fated playoff run, who had 3 goals in 4 games?

On nights when this team is clearly mailing it in, who is the guy that still goes out there, and works his ass off to make plays on ever shift? A perfect example was earlier this week against Phoenix. The team got down and was slumping its shoulders. On most shifts there was minimal effort. Umberger scores a goal and suddenly there's some life back in the team.

Umberger is the one guy that I know is going to give it his all every shift because he has professional pride. Most of the rest of these guys? Not so much. If fans of this team don't see that fine--lets' have Howson trade him to a team that contend and see what happens.

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01-08-2011, 05:30 PM
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Umberger is the one guy that I know is going to give it his all every shift because he has professional pride. Most of the rest of these guys? Not so much. If fans of this team don't see that fine--lets' have Howson trade him to a team that contend and see what happens.
RJ is probably our easiest player to trade that will get us the greatest return. For exactly the reasons you've been saying. In all honesty I'd rather trade Nash then RJ, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Howson move RJ. It's the easy thing to do.

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... OR it could be that your trainees hate that "raise your hand if you..." game.
I don't think so. Mostly a group of welders, maintenance, machinists and assemblers, men in their 20's and 30's. These aren't shy people and they are in the age demographics CBJ should be reaching. I'd venture to guess they know darn well who Votto & Palmer is, and we are just as close to Columbus as we are Cincinnati. CBJ has never marketed themselves west of Marysville. From Cincinnati to Toledo, the state of Ohio doesnt care. Rick Nash and Steve Mason could walk down Main St in Celina Ohio and no one would know who the hell they were.

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01-08-2011, 05:43 PM
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Main St in Celina Ohio and no one would know who the hell they were.
And Palmer and Votto could walk past me at Easton and I'd have no clue...

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RJ is probably our easiest player to trade that will get us the greatest return. For exactly the reasons you've been saying. In all honesty I'd rather trade Nash then RJ, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Howson move RJ. It's the easy thing to do.
Yeah. Although, God help us with this bunch of schmoes in the lockerroom sans RJ. They'd probably start planning what bars they want to go to after the game in the midst of a 2-0 loss.

I thought about this the other day--how scary is it going to be if this team sends away a guy like RJ, and loses Clark and Moreau in the off-season? Who steps up to be the stabilizing force on a team filled with that many young guys? Even the Hawks had guys like John Madden last year. This team really does have very few veteran leaders.

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And Palmer and Votto could walk past me at Easton and I'd have no clue...
They certainly couldnt do that around here. And seriously, if you don't understand how poorly CBJ has marketed themselves to the state outside the 270 beltway, then don't argue just to argue.

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01-08-2011, 06:04 PM
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They certainly couldn't do that around here. And seriously, if you don't understand how poorly CBJ has marketed themselves to the state outside the 270 beltway, then don't argue just to argue.
I'm not arguing to argue. I take exception to your claim that the fact that CBJ players could walk through a small town in western Ohio as evidence that the CBJ marketing has failed. I'm not defending their marketing, I'm just saying it's not a valid "test".

Seriously, in the building I work, NO ONE would recognize any Ohio sports figure outside of the Buckeyes. (and about 25% would recognize Nash... maybe)

Not being facetious, just calling it like it is from where I sit. Same as you are doing.

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01-08-2011, 06:44 PM
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If you think that is all its about, I dont' think you're paying attention.

In our ill-fated playoff run, who had 3 goals in 4 games?

On nights when this team is clearly mailing it in, who is the guy that still goes out there, and works his ass off to make plays on ever shift? A perfect example was earlier this week against Phoenix. The team got down and was slumping its shoulders. On most shifts there was minimal effort. Umberger scores a goal and suddenly there's some life back in the team.

Umberger is the one guy that I know is going to give it his all every shift because he has professional pride. Most of the rest of these guys? Not so much. If fans of this team don't see that fine--lets' have Howson trade him to a team that contend and see what happens.
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Umberger is only piece I would have a problem with moving. Right now, this guy is worth his weight in Gold to this team.

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01-08-2011, 06:47 PM
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Agreed, RJ is easily the heart and soul of the Jackets.


(And possibly the only guy with heart, but that's another story.)

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Yeah, this is a great idea. Trade the one marketing piece Columbus has. Don't we already have enough trouble selling tickets? Smh..

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I'm all for trading Nash for the right guy. A guy like Malkin would be perfect, and if we could keep Brassard, you can then tell Brassard he is now a winger, and he is now a shooter, and no longer a playmaker. The dude has a great wrist shot, he needs to think shoot first.

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Yeah, this is a great idea. Trade the one marketing piece Columbus has. Don't we already have enough trouble selling tickets? Smh..
Look at Season Ticket sales, he sure doesn't seem to be helping us there.... I'm sure we can get someone else to do the Haydocy commercials.

Barbeque away, but....

What has Nash really done FOR this franchise?

Scored a lot of goals, hasn't helped us win in the Playoffs. I'd argue Nash has done more to educate Columbus about Adult Illiteracy and Cars than he's accomplished on the ice.


Yes, I went there.


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There are maybe 6 teenage girls in the entire Metro Columbus Area who go to see the Jackets only because Rick Nash is on the team.

There are thousands of people who don't go because they gave up on a franchise that sucks monkey balls.

Sports fans gravitate towards nondescript winners with no superstars. Columbus would be no different.

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There are maybe 6 teenage girls in the entire Metro Columbus Area who go to see the Jackets only because Rick Nash is on the team.

There are thousands of people who don't go because they gave up on a franchise that sucks monkey balls.

Sports fans gravitate towards nondescript winners with no superstars. Columbus would be no different.
Have to agree. I think Nash's star/draw power is wildly overrated. Face of the franchise doesn't mean 'jack when the franchise is consistently mediocre. (at best)

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