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01-08-2011, 10:09 AM
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Same way that Mez is going to enjoy that distinction next year. After coming from the same team no less.
Meszaros wasn't playing with Pronger though, he was playing with O'Donnell, who is not Pronger.

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Im sure Richards would have called Jones a strong defender too

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Interesting that Richards notes Carle as a strong defender. Are people here too hard on him?
If people on here don't like Carle, it's just their own stupidity.

The guy's been a great pick up since he started. Pronger likes playing with him. Lavy puts him out on the ice tonnes. He's very good on offense (where would we have been last year without his goal vs. Rangers to force OT or his beautiful, creative OT set ups of Gagne and Giroux?

Carle is a very good D. Solid in his own end, starts the rush, takes hits to make plays.

Good to see his captain acknowledge what many of us have been saying all along.

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If people on here don't like Carle, it's just their own stupidity.

The guy's been a great pick up since he started. Pronger likes playing with him. Lavy puts him out on the ice tonnes. He's very good on offense (where would we have been last year without his goal vs. Rangers to force OT or his beautiful, creative OT set ups of Gagne and Giroux?

Carle is a very good D. Solid in his own end, starts the rush, takes hits to make plays.

Good to see his captain acknowledge what many of us have been saying all along.
I hope you have watched the Flyers-Devils game today.

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Speaking of NHL.com, click on their mid-season power rankings and they have

1. Vancouver
2. Pittsburgh
3. Detroit
4. Tampa Bay
5. Dallas

What a bunch of clowns running that site.
Well, those are the weekly rankings, so it's not all that bad, as the Flyers have gone through rough times these past few games. And Ej does mention in the video that they should still probably be in the top 5.

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A.Incredible depth on the team(Flyers) = Cup contender.

B.All-star game = dog & pony show.

Pick one, "A" looks pretty good to me.

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They could only be so lucky. I'd much rather the rest.
And if the team is this good without an "all star" it says a lot about this team's depth.

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Meszaros wasn't playing with Pronger though, he was playing with O'Donnell, who is not Pronger.


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And if the team is this good without an "all star" it says a lot about this team's depth.
Agreed

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Funny thing is if they pick a defender on our team based off of points, Carle's an All-Star, LOL.

Which would work for him. The All Star game is known for no defense.

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You guys will have Laviolette in the ASG... And probably Richards.

Hopefully Giroux too.

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Does the ASG coach actually do anything?

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Does the ASG coach actually do anything?
He helps pick at least some of the players.

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Keep the puck away from Carle and he is ok. There's really nothing to argue about this, the proof is on the ice in every game. Meszaros has closed the game in TOI/G, mainly because of special teams (where Meszaros gets more time than Carle), where a lot of games are won and lost. Carle is the #5, and paid far too much to do so, which is why eventually he will not get another contract with us, so Timonen can stay and Gustafsson can come up, and the only reason he is not a #6 is because O'Donnell at his age is not a 20-minute player.

Other than that he is a disaster. He had at least 3 turnovers on pucks that went from his stick to a Devils defender before clearing the zone, and that's only ones I noticed without the benefit of replays. The last of these Boucher had to make an amazing save to preserve 2 points. Bartulis was getting time late in the game to take time away from him, and he only played 10 minutes.

People who watch games know this, people who don't, it shows. Richards doesn't watch games, he plays them. The opinions of other players hold little water because they're ultimately saying what they're supposed to. Other people who think Carle is good, are just admitting they don't watch games, or see only what they want to see so they can come on HF and act like they're right about everything - they're no point in arguing with the Carle Lovers, because he could defecate on the ice, and to them he is still better than Pronger. As I've stated, and Laviolette has proven, Carle plays with Pronger because he has to, not because he's good enough to. He sees what John Stevens even saw. That's why Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, and O'Donnell at times have anchored their own pairings this season. This team will be better when Carle is gone, and someone else is in doing the same job for a fraction of the price.

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Carle is fine in the offensive zone, and is good at pinching to keep the puck in. That's pretty much the only good thing I can say about him

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Carle is fine in the offensive zone, and is good at pinching to keep the puck in. That's pretty much the only good thing I can say about him
So, at worst, he's Danny Syvret.

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So, at worst, he's Danny Syvret.
getting paid 6 times more than Syvret.

That's why I rag on Carle so much. If we wanted an offense only D man we could just play Syvret or Gustaffsson and hope they learn D eventually.

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So, at worst, he's Danny Syvret.
Although you have to give it to him . . . Carle makes at least 1-2 Amazing saves per 2-3 games. . . when are goalies are out in nowheresville.

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Although you have to give it to him . . . Carle makes at least 1-2 Amazing saves per 2-3 games. . . when are goalies are out in nowheresville.
He did have one nice play on D yesterday, but he also had at least 3 brutal plays.

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Although you have to give it to him . . . Carle makes at least 1-2 Amazing saves per 2-3 games. . . when are goalies are out in nowheresville.
Ok, at worst he's Danny Syvret who can cover for the goalie, largely because he turned the puck over, as long as he didn't blow the coverage first.

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Article on Matt Carle saying that he doesn't deserve the knocks he gets.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...cism#storyjump

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Article on Matt Carle saying that he doesn't deserve the knocks he gets.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...cism#storyjump
I go on BSH alot, and do like Geoff, but alot of his debates has to do with luck. He will provide facts, the information that goes against his argument is unlucky, and the stuff that does is considered skill. I dont believe in that stuff.

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Article on Matt Carle saying that he doesn't deserve the knocks he gets.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...cism#storyjump
I see "Corsi" and automatically throw out the whole article. Discredits the whole argument.

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I see "Corsi" and automatically throw out the whole article. Discredits the whole argument.
Damn whippersnappers with their fancy pee-cees. In my day we had to follow the game by reading three day old box scores in the sunday paper.

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Keep the puck away from Carle and he is ok. There's really nothing to argue about this, the proof is on the ice in every game. Meszaros has closed the game in TOI/G, mainly because of special teams (where Meszaros gets more time than Carle), where a lot of games are won and lost. Carle is the #5, and paid far too much to do so, which is why eventually he will not get another contract with us, so Timonen can stay and Gustafsson can come up, and the only reason he is not a #6 is because O'Donnell at his age is not a 20-minute player.

Other than that he is a disaster. He had at least 3 turnovers on pucks that went from his stick to a Devils defender before clearing the zone, and that's only ones I noticed without the benefit of replays. The last of these Boucher had to make an amazing save to preserve 2 points. Bartulis was getting time late in the game to take time away from him, and he only played 10 minutes.

People who watch games know this, people who don't, it shows. Richards doesn't watch games, he plays them. The opinions of other players hold little water because they're ultimately saying what they're supposed to. Other people who think Carle is good, are just admitting they don't watch games, or see only what they want to see so they can come on HF and act like they're right about everything - they're no point in arguing with the Carle Lovers, because he could defecate on the ice, and to them he is still better than Pronger. As I've stated, and Laviolette has proven, Carle plays with Pronger because he has to, not because he's good enough to. He sees what John Stevens even saw. That's why Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, and O'Donnell at times have anchored their own pairings this season. This team will be better when Carle is gone, and someone else is in doing the same job for a fraction of the price.
yeah but how do you really feel about Carle? should he get an all star nod or not?

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yeah but how do you really feel about Carle? should he get an all star nod or not?
Carle gets plenty of nods from All-Stars while they intercept his passes or strip him of the puck and head towards the Flyers goal.

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