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01-09-2011, 11:01 PM
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Ballard would be a prime option for Nashville if that could be arranged. Top 4, 2-way, longish contract, affordable $4.2m contract. Ballard takes over the hole on defense that Weber vacated. The question would be just how much extra would it take, and if Ballard would accept it.
Ballard doesn't have a no trade clause.

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01-09-2011, 11:09 PM
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Ballard doesn't have a no trade clause.
It's limited but he does have a no-trade clause.

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01-10-2011, 12:29 AM
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I doubt we have the trade pieces to acquire Weber. If anything, I'd be worried about a team like Detroit getting him. They can offer Nashville a young NHL-ready defenseman (Ericsson) or a good defense prospect (Kindl/Smith), plus a package of other picks and prospects. As we saw with last night's game, some of their prospects can definitely play. If they strike out in free agency, I imagine they'll aggressively pursue Weber if he's available.

The only way I see him coming to Vancouver is if he demands a trade to only Vancouver, though I think it's highly unlikely.

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01-10-2011, 01:17 AM
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Ballard doesn't have a no trade clause.
He can name 7 teams. If wants he can name 7 teams with no cap space available and no interesting assest for the nucks, and make nashville not one of the those teams. gets hard to trade him then.

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01-10-2011, 01:58 AM
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I doubt we have the trade pieces to acquire Weber. If anything, I'd be worried about a team like Detroit getting him. They can offer Nashville a young NHL-ready defenseman (Ericsson) or a good defense prospect (Kindl/Smith), plus a package of other picks and prospects. As we saw with last night's game, some of their prospects can definitely play. If they strike out in free agency, I imagine they'll aggressively pursue Weber if he's available.

The only way I see him coming to Vancouver is if he demands a trade to only Vancouver, though I think it's highly unlikely.
Nashville and Detroit are in the same division.... Why would they help out a divisional rival like that? Also Nashville would be looking for forwards/forward prospects if they moved Weber as they have a glut of young defenseman.

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I doubt we have the trade pieces to acquire Weber. If anything, I'd be worried about a team like Detroit getting him. They can offer Nashville a young NHL-ready defenseman (Ericsson) or a good defense prospect (Kindl/Smith), plus a package of other picks and prospects. As we saw with last night's game, some of their prospects can definitely play. If they strike out in free agency, I imagine they'll aggressively pursue Weber if he's available.

The only way I see him coming to Vancouver is if he demands a trade to only Vancouver, though I think it's highly unlikely.
I've seen Weber on TSN state that he isn't going anywhere. He isn't going anywhere.

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01-10-2011, 06:39 AM
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He can name 7 teams. If wants he can name 7 teams with no cap space available and no interesting assest for the nucks, and make nashville not one of the those teams. gets hard to trade him then.
I didn't know that one could tailor the NTC like that, interesting.

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01-10-2011, 08:48 AM
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the odds of Weber coming to the Canucks was the same as Joe Sakic or Scott Neidermeyer becoming a Canuck.

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01-10-2011, 09:56 AM
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the odds of Weber coming to the Canucks was the same as Joe Sakic or Scott Neidermeyer becoming a Canuck.
I'm still hoping... I'll give up when they're inducted into the HOF

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01-10-2011, 10:01 AM
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I highly doubt the Weber speculation is in any way accurate, but for people talking about what you'd have to give up, Nashville would definitely want some young forwards with potential. I'd say any package would include a couple of high draft picks, Mason Raymond, and a prospect. Nashville would want Hodgson, Canucks would probably counter with Schroeder.

As I said, I don't expect it to happen, but you'd definitely be looking at a good forward leaving the Canucks as well as a good forward prospect. Goaltending and defense are two things the Preds have covered, seemingly from here into eternity.

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01-10-2011, 11:06 AM
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I highly doubt the Weber speculation is in any way accurate, but for people talking about what you'd have to give up, Nashville would definitely want some young forwards with potential. I'd say any package would include a couple of high draft picks, Mason Raymond, and a prospect. Nashville would want Hodgson, Canucks would probably counter with Schroeder.

As I said, I don't expect it to happen, but you'd definitely be looking at a good forward leaving the Canucks as well as a good forward prospect. Goaltending and defense are two things the Preds have covered, seemingly from here into eternity.
This is what I think as well. Something along the lines of Raymond/Schroeder/Shirokov/1st

Even then, as Nashville I might be inclined to take 4 1sts instead.

from an asset management standpoint from Vancouver though it doesn't make sense. Ballard becomes your 5th dman for the forseeable future unless one or both of Ehrhoff/Edler are not in your future. And realistically it doesn't make sense to rock Edler/Ehrhoff/Weber in the cap era.

The only reason the Canucks make this deal is if Ehrhoff wants too much money.

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01-10-2011, 12:20 PM
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Talking about offseason Dmen speculation, the Bieksa situation is a little concerning to me. My fear is that Bieksa plays against type in the short-term, and doesn't do something glaring in the post-season (as is his pattern), and then is re-signed before he hits FA. His role is then maintained with the team. Accordingly, the Canucks keep Ballard on the bottom pairing.


After all that is done, he proceeds to suck again.


That would be a disaster. I hope that does not occur here.

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01-10-2011, 04:19 PM
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Talking about offseason Dmen speculation, the Bieksa situation is a little concerning to me. My fear is that Bieksa plays against type in the short-term, and doesn't do something glaring in the post-season (as is his pattern), and then is re-signed before he hits FA. His role is then maintained with the team. Accordingly, the Canucks keep Ballard on the bottom pairing.


After all that is done, he proceeds to suck again.


That would be a disaster. I hope that does not occur here.
From what I've seen, I think he's finally "got it" and accepted that as a defensive he's better erring on the side of defense. With Edler & Ehrhoff (and the rest of the D barring Alberts) all capabable of putting up points he's not trying to be Paul Coffey every game.

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01-10-2011, 04:30 PM
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This is what I think as well. Something along the lines of Raymond/Schroeder/Shirokov/1st
Ballard + Raymond (or Schroeder) + 1st would have to tempt Nashville just a little bit. I'll even throw in Shirokov.


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Even then, as Nashville I might be inclined to take 4 1sts instead.

from an asset management standpoint from Vancouver though it doesn't make sense. Ballard becomes your 5th dman for the forseeable future unless one or both of Ehrhoff/Edler are not in your future. And realistically it doesn't make sense to rock Edler/Ehrhoff/Weber in the cap era.

The only reason the Canucks make this deal is if Ehrhoff wants too much money.
If they are prepared to meet his salary expectations it will just be about the number of years. If Weber wants a contract that takes him to UFA, then Nashville has to seriously think about moving him as he won't be there that long and doesn't seem to want to stay. If he signs long term I don't see him moving.

Signing Weber does cause a few issues for the Nucks.

During the season we'd have Weber - Ehrhoff - Beiksa - Salo as our 4 right side D. Not such a terrible problem I guess, but in the off season who do they let go, Ehrhoff or Bieksa (assuming Salo retires). Hard to keep a really expensive 3rd pairing D when Weber may want ask $6+. And if they are going to let one go, do they trade them now (to get back some assets) and make room for Salo. Is it worth shaking up the D that much on a team that isn't losing games?

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01-10-2011, 05:11 PM
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Ballard + Raymond (or Schroeder) + 1st would have to tempt Nashville just a little bit. I'll even throw in Shirokov.

If they are prepared to meet his salary expectations it will just be about the number of years. If Weber wants a contract that takes him to UFA, then Nashville has to seriously think about moving him as he won't be there that long and doesn't seem to want to stay. If he signs long term I don't see him moving.

Signing Weber does cause a few issues for the Nucks.

During the season we'd have Weber - Ehrhoff - Beiksa - Salo as our 4 right side D. Not such a terrible problem I guess, but in the off season who do they let go, Ehrhoff or Bieksa (assuming Salo retires). Hard to keep a really expensive 3rd pairing D when Weber may want ask $6+. And if they are going to let one go, do they trade them now (to get back some assets) and make room for Salo. Is it worth shaking up the D that much on a team that isn't losing games?
Ballard isn't getting traded.

Gillis can afford to spend as much as he wants on Defence due to his other cap space saving deals (Sedins @6.1, Kes @ 5, Burr @ 5, Edler @ 3.5, Lou @ 5.3)

Having a defence of:

Edler - Erhoff
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Weber - Ballard

Not put in order, just some possible pairings. That defence is a beautiful sight.

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01-10-2011, 05:21 PM
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He can name 7 teams. If wants he can name 7 teams with no cap space available and no interesting assest for the nucks, and make nashville not one of the those teams. gets hard to trade him then.
I think he has to do this by July 1st . He cant keep changing the 7 teams all season .

Regardless, the Rangers just proved today they can make space in a trade.

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Ballard isn't getting traded.
Pretty sure we've established it is rather unlikely.

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Gillis can afford to spend as much as he wants on Defence due to his other cap space saving deals (Sedins @6.1, Kes @ 5, Burr @ 5, Edler @ 3.5, Lou @ 5.3)

Having a defence of:

Edler - Erhoff
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Weber - Ballard

Not put in order, just some possible pairings. That defence is a beautiful sight.

That's an increase of about $7-8m. Hodgson needs to have his bonus included. So I doubt Gillis could fit that D in next year.

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Burr @ 5,
Overpayment.

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No.

Schneider, Schroeder, Shirokov, 1st in 2011, 1st in 2012
The Preds have solid goaltending in Rinne and Lindback not to mention having Chet Pickard coming through the system.

They have no need for Schneider.
Schroeder would have to be included, and possibly Rodin (they'll be asking for Hodgson).

I'd personally offer Raymond, Ballard(NTC contingent) + 1st for Weber.

Ballard is signed to an affordable cap number for years to come and Raymond is a solid top 6 forward.

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Overpayment.
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During the season we'd have Weber - Ehrhoff - Beiksa - Salo as our 4 right side D. Not such a terrible problem I guess, but in the off season who do they let go, Ehrhoff or Bieksa (assuming Salo retires). Hard to keep a really expensive 3rd pairing D when Weber may want ask $6+. And if they are going to let one go, do they trade them now (to get back some assets) and make room for Salo. Is it worth shaking up the D that much on a team that isn't losing games?
I don't think Bieksa or Salo would be kept if the Canucks somehow landed Weber - as a right handed defenceman who plays on the right side he obviously replaces one, and given his salary would probably replace both.

Having Ehrhoff and Weber also fill out the top 4, and would leave us with

Hamhuis - Weber
Edler - Ehrhoff

which would be pretty damn amazing. Pipe dream though and affording him would require a bit of juggling.

I have us next season at

Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (2)
Raymond (2.55) - Kesler (5) - Hodgson (1.725)
Tambellini (0.75) - Malhotra (2.5) - Samuelsson (2.5)
Glass (0.75) - Bolduc (0.55) - Hansen (1)
Depth player (0.5)

Hamhuis (4.5) - R handed defenceman
Edler (3.25) - Ehrhoff (4.75)
Ballard (4.2) - Alberts (1.5)
Rome (0.75)

Luongo (5.3)
Schneider (0.9)

Just gives a bit less than 5 million for that last defenceman. Bieksa at his current salary makes too much sense. Adding a player like Weber would be amazing but I'm thinking he will probably want somewhere around 6.5, and perhaps Raymond would be sent the other way or Samuelsson moved elsewhere but the forward depth would suffer.

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