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01-10-2011, 08:04 PM
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CSS brings their loonie bin mid-season rankings again. I was seriously reading this in the bathroom at work and i let out a gasp that i'm sure some people heard.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm

Strome at 19?
Clendening at 61?
Bartschi at 6, over Rattie and McNeill?
Morrow at 16, while Musil at 26?

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01-10-2011, 08:06 PM
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Who ever is the best play available at the 30th overall pick
That being said if we dont trade our first rounder

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01-10-2011, 08:06 PM
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Gabriel Landeskog, since before this season I've always thought of him as easily the best player in this year's draft...

Too bad people are noticing too

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01-10-2011, 08:13 PM
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I also hope we stay away from players who are projected in the first round primarily on the basis of their size. Size is a huge advantage when you are playing against 16 and 17 year olds who are not physically mature, but size alone does not translate to dominance at the NHL level. If a player is big and dominating, you have to determine if it is solely on the basis of his build, or if he has hockey skills to go with the physical package.
You must be a big fan of the Oilers.

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01-10-2011, 08:16 PM
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Musil is ranked 26th??

No way he falls there.

God Puempel is ranked 29th! Kid has 59 goals and 59 assists, 118 points in his first 98 OHL games.

I'd love to get Puempel or Oleksiak late.

People keep saying "BPA"... oddly this draft by these bizzare rankings seems VERY hard to figure out BPA.

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01-10-2011, 08:22 PM
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CSS brings their loonie bin mid-season rankings again. I was seriously reading this in the bathroom at work and i let out a gasp that i'm sure some people heard.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm

Strome at 19?
Clendening at 61?
Bartschi at 6, over Rattie and McNeill?
Morrow at 16, while Musil at 26?
Haha, that's brutal. How about Namestnikov at 17? I like him but he hasn't done nearly enough at the OHL level to get drafted that high...

Or Jaskin being ranked behind Zibanejad...

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01-10-2011, 08:25 PM
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Oleksiak please...

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01-10-2011, 08:30 PM
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Oleksiak please...
That's probobly who i'd pick first based on 25-30 in the recent rankings... then Musil, then Puempel.

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01-10-2011, 08:34 PM
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You must be a big fan of the Oilers.
If the alternative is the Calgary Flames, than yeah.

I think there's something to be said about players that grow sooner than their peers and use that size advantage to dominate guys that are less physically mature - an advantage that won't be anywhere near as noticeable at the NHL level once the playing field evens out.

Ideally you look at guys with big, projectable frames that are excelling but are nowhere near the weight they'll play at at the NHL level. A guy like Chris Tanev would be a perfect example - he's got a tall, lanky frame and is playing very well but still has to add a bunch of weight before he's anywhere near NHL ready - Alex Edler is another guy that had the big frame but needed a few years to put on size. Mason Raymond etc...

Than you have a player like Yann Sauve - he had the body of a pro as an 18 year old and used that size and strength to dominate physically in Junior and IMO he'll have a tough adjustment to the pro game where his size advantage will be much less of a factor than what he's used to.

IMO height is something to look for, size and strength much less so.

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01-10-2011, 08:45 PM
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If the alternative is the Calgary Flames, than yeah.
Oh, snap.

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01-10-2011, 08:46 PM
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For those of you who didn't see That's Hockey, Gabriel Landeskog has *no* accent whatsoever. The only other Swedish guy I can say that about is Nik Lidstrom. Impressive.

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01-10-2011, 10:15 PM
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That's probobly who i'd pick first based on 25-30 in the recent rankings... then Musil, then Puempel.
Have any of you even watched these guys? There is absolutely no way Oleksiak should or will go ahead of Musil or even Puempel. Not to mention a ton of other top end guys in that spot.

Oleksiak is an intriguing prospects in the 2nd round but there's absolutely no guarantee that he will ever develop good offensive skills and although I have not watched him, I've talked to a scout that has many times.

With that said, it's not like Musil will be available at that spot anyway.


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01-10-2011, 10:31 PM
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Have any of you even watched these guys? There is absolutely no way Oleksiak should or will go ahead of Musil or even Puempel. Not to mention a ton of other top end guys in that spot.

Oleksiak is an intriguing prospects in the 2nd round but there's absolutely no guarantee that he will ever develop good offensive skills and although I have not watched him, I've talked to a scout that has many times.

With that said, it's not like Musil will be available at that spot anyway.
Musil, yes many times. Puempel about 5 times, Oleksiak only twice.

They said the same "no garauntee he will develop" about Tyler Myers too.

It's a tough year to judge BPA as I mentioned.

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01-10-2011, 11:03 PM
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Seth Ambroz anyone?

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Pass on Ambroz, now there is a guy who is falling with good reason.

I don't think i've heard one good opinion of him this season. Sounds like he has plateau'd last year. Zero improvement and minimal future improvement foreseen seems like the consensus at this point.

With guys like St. Croix, Rakell, Catenacci, Noesen, (Nick) Shore hanging around in the 2nd, i'd give them a chance. Or i'd go D man before Ambroz like Ouellet, Scarlett, Percy, (hopefully) Klefbom.

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01-10-2011, 11:36 PM
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Ambroz made a huge mistake when he decided not to go to College this year, it will hurt his draft stock but more importantly it's already hurting his development.

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01-10-2011, 11:49 PM
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Ambroz made a huge mistake when he decided not to go to College this year, it will hurt his draft stock but more importantly it's already hurting his development.
Well, he would've gone to Minnesota, so it's not exactly a sure thing he'd have been better off in college. The best move for him probably would've been going to Seattle, he sounds like he'd be a good fit in the WHL. And unless he does go that route, I'd say pass on him - do we really want to take another chance on a Don Lucia player?

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01-10-2011, 11:59 PM
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David Musil didn't really impress me the 5 times I've seen him live in action this year. I think he'll project to a poor man's Zdeno Chara. He's at a point where he's not quite an offensive threat, but not exactly a defensive specialist. I think the defensive part of the game will come to him eventually, but his foot-speed and offensive prowess aren't going to be his bread and butter.

I wouldn't be dissapointed if we ended up with him, but of the two, I'd like Oleksiak who I hear could be pretty darn good on the PP (he has a BOMB of a shot) Think like a Salo type player.

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01-11-2011, 12:05 AM
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Pass on Ambroz, now there is a guy who is falling with good reason.

I don't think i've heard one good opinion of him this season. Sounds like he has plateau'd last year. Zero improvement and minimal future improvement foreseen seems like the consensus at this point.

With guys like St. Croix, Rakell, Catenacci, Noesen, (Nick) Shore hanging around in the 2nd, i'd give them a chance. Or i'd go D man before Ambroz like Ouellet, Scarlett, Percy, (hopefully) Klefbom.
I do like Klefbom.

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01-11-2011, 02:21 AM
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Not to be a jerk but it doesnt seem like the Q develops that many quality dmen. Or atleast the canucks cant seem to get a good one (Sauve)

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Oleksiak please...
Is it because he's 6'7?

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David Musil didn't really impress me the 5 times I've seen him live in action this year. I think he'll project to a poor man's Zdeno Chara. He's at a point where he's not quite an offensive threat, but not exactly a defensive specialist. I think the defensive part of the game will come to him eventually, but his foot-speed and offensive prowess aren't going to be his bread and butter.

I wouldn't be dissapointed if we ended up with him, but of the two, I'd like Oleksiak who I hear could be pretty darn good on the PP (he has a BOMB of a shot) Think like a Salo type player.

I wont even try to talk about Musil, and as has been said there is zero chance he goes that low. BUT as far as Chara goes you should know that he wasnt even drafted in his draft year as he was passed over while he was still playing U18 in Slovakia, and that is with 9 rounds in the draft. He wasnt good and it wasnt until the year after that he was noticed and drafted in the 3rd round mostly because he was a giant on skates. It took him years and years to get to the point of a elite dman, until then he was considered by most as a borderline bottom pairing dman with nothing no real potential beyond that. So to say someone is a poor mans Chara isnt saying much.

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Have any of you even watched these guys? There is absolutely no way Oleksiak should or will go ahead of Musil or even Puempel. Not to mention a ton of other top end guys in that spot.
Haven't you ever watched a draft? Expect the unexpected.

Prospects aren't an exact science. Guys projected to go in the 2nd round get drafted in the top 5 somewhat regularly.

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May I ask everyone a non-related question?

How on earth does anyone know anything about anybody in these drafts? Do you all just read scouting reports and regurgitate what you've read? Or spend countless hours watching junior games?

The amount of knowledge some of you guys have blows me away.

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