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01-11-2011, 05:06 PM
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Early Career Giroux?

Hi guys. Anytime I think of Kadri; of course - there have been a lot of comparisons made, but anytime I see this guy play I'm always reminded of Giroux, who's about as close to a player as Kadri should project to be.

Both are smaller, tenacious natural centers with unreal stickhandling ability and killer vision - although I think Kadri has more of a mean streak and a slightly larger build, while Giroux is more accomplished defensively and is a better finisher.

Even their early career paths have went quite similarly so far, which saw Giroux, of course, produce at his highest junior pace his last year of eligibility, and dominate in the subsequent playoffs. He also produced at the WJC's.

I see in 08-09 Giroux wasn't called up until about the end of December, and remained with the team from then on, meanwhile having produced at a PPG in the A, and ultimately putting up 27 points in 42 games up with the big team. Kadri himself is in much a similar situation, as he did receive an earlier call-up, due to our lack of offensive depth, but has also remained a PPG player in the A. He assisted on 6 goals in 17 games and generally created a lot of chances for himself and others throughout the majority of his call-up, although he did struggle in his last few games, being scratched for multiple games on end before being finally sent down. To match Giroux's half a season of 08-09 who still could be called up within about the next 20 games, and from his first stint could be on pace at least for about as many assists as Giroux had in his first call-up. Goals haven't come but he has been getting his chances, and, as said - Giroux just is a better finisher than Kadri.

All these stats are cute and all, but I'd really like to know how Giroux developed early on in his career. What did he do that stood out positively? What did he have to work on? How many minutes was he playing? Was he getting powerplay time? How were faceoffs? Who were his linemates, etc.. ???

I just see a lot of similarities in their games, as both of them are smaller guys who excel within the space the center position gives them, allowing them to create space for themselves through some disgusting stickhandling, and create space for their teammates through some innate vision.

Giroux has a little more offensive upside with his finishing ability. He also seems more rounded a player, but of course that's from watching him since his sophomore season. Kadri is quite raw physically, and needs to learn the finer side of defensive positioning, but ya of course I'm looking at him as a rookie, which is exactly why I'd like to know how a similar developed, especially while in the earliest stages of his pro career, which of course is where Kadri is now.

Thanks Guys.


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Hi guys. Anytime I think of Kadri; of course - there have been a lot of comparisons made, namely Gilmour, M. Richards, etc.. Although Ribeiro is a more realistic one haha; but anytime I see this guy play I'm always reminded of Giroux, who's about as close to a player as Kadri should project to be.
Sorry, you lost me at Gilmour and Richards. Neither is even close to a decent comparison, although Kadri may dream about it.

However, after seeing both of them play a bit in junior (Kadri moreso), they weren't similar. Giroux has the ability to make the players around him better. Kadri is the guy who takes advantage of his liinemates' hard work. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing by any means, but they're not similar.

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Ignore what I said.


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Also, Giroux is not a natural center. He came up through the ranks as a winger.
He played centre in junior, and took about 85% of his team's draws in his last year in the Q.

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Any chance to watch this again is good.

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He played centre in junior, and took about 85% of his team's draws in his last year in the Q.
CG what did you think of Giroux when you saw him in Jr's?

My .2 cents on Giroux, he is becoming such a complete player.

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To TOR:
Jeff Carter (great center)
Garrett Klotz (bad-decent prospect)

To PHI:
Mikhail Grabovski (decent center)
Fredrik Sjostrom (fast skater, great PK)
Juraj Mikus (good dman prospect)
3rd Round Pick (2011)
5th Round Pick (2011)

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To TOR:
Jeff Carter (great center)
Garrett Klotz (bad-decent prospect)

To PHI:
Mikhail Grabovski (decent center)
Fredrik Sjostrom (fast skater, great PK)
Juraj Mikus (good dman prospect)
3rd Round Pick (2011)
5th Round Pick (2011)

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rodu thats a bad fail on your part

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Second time I made this joke and still people don't see it!!!

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Second time I made this joke and still people don't see it!!!
Wasn't that a former proposal made by a Leafs fan on this board IIRC?

OP is not close at all. Kadri doesn't have the intangibles, toughness, or leadership that Richards or Gilmour has, or the skill that Giroux has.

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from what i've seen of Kadri, he's nothing like Giroux....sorry

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To TOR:
Jeff Carter (great center)
Garrett Klotz (bad-decent prospect)

To PHI:
Mikhail Grabovski (decent center)
Fredrik Sjostrom (fast skater, great PK)
Juraj Mikus (good dman prospect)
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5th Round Pick (2011)
Needs more intangibles in return for Carter.

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To the OP I don't know enough about Kadri to compare the two, but good luck to him and your team except against the Flyers.

edit- You wanted to know about Giroux's development, I'm not a good enough observer of the game to tell you how he really developed.


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Haha I love when someone comes in here and we just **** on their ideas/proposals.

Kadri can stick handle, so okay... cool. Datsyuk can stickhandle too... where's that comparison? How about Eberle, where's that comparison? Linus Omark? Every other play with good hands? ...just Giroux?

He's not like Giroux.

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I don't see the commitment and drive in Kadri that is abundant with Giroux

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Some old threads that mention giroux.

http://hfboards.com/search.php?searc...4&pp=25&page=1

In one thread it is mentioned that they thought Giroux would be like Hemsky.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...=claude+giroux

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...=claude+giroux

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...=claude+giroux

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...=claude+giroux
his first Phantoms game

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To TOR:
Jeff Carter (great center)
Garrett Klotz (bad-decent prospect)

To PHI:
Mikhail Grabovski (decent center)
Fredrik Sjostrom (fast skater, great PK)
Juraj Mikus (good dman prospect)
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5th Round Pick (2011)

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You are selling kadri short. I compare him to Jesus; of course, Jesus could not skate having grown up in a largely hot, arid climate, but by the same token, he could walk on water so who needs to skate?

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I have only seen Kadri play a few games. But right now he could not hold G's jock.

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leafs fans are convinced anyone with the slightest amount of skill is the next jesus.

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Hey, I really hope Kadri is the next big thing.

I have him in 2 keeper leagues and he is just sitting in my minors right now .... in both

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CG what did you think of Giroux when you saw him in Jr's?

My .2 cents on Giroux, he is becoming such a complete player.
The games I saw, he was dominant. A threat on every shift, and shutting him down meant he only had 3 points. He WAS his team and he willed/carried them to the Memorial Cup. He was a beast in the faceoff circle as well. Just an absolute treat to watch - kinda like now!

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Second time I made this joke and still people don't see it!!!
That was a bad-decent joke

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The games I saw, he was dominant. A threat on every shift, and shutting him down meant he only had 3 points. He WAS his team and he willed/carried them to the Memorial Cup. He was a beast in the faceoff circle as well. Just an absolute treat to watch - kinda like now!
Gatineau probably not the best team to be on.

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