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01-11-2011, 10:52 PM
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Yes, 7 games in, now let's give up. The guy doesn't yet know the first names of half his teammates.

How about we let him relax, get his game adjusted to the NHL, improve a little. The kid performed well in lower level hockey. I can't imagine that someone scoring 50+ points in the AHL would be completely without skill. And from what I saw, he can skate, he can shoot and he can make the breakout pass.

If we let him mature, the kid can be a solid player.

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01-11-2011, 11:06 PM
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Yes, 7 games in, now let's give up. The guy doesn't yet know the first names of half his teammates.

How about we let him relax, get his game adjusted to the NHL, improve a little. The kid performed well in lower level hockey. I can't imagine that someone scoring 50+ points in the AHL would be completely without skill. And from what I saw, he can skate, he can shoot and he can make the breakout pass.

If we let him mature, the kid can be a solid player.
This.

I don't know? Should he be a ppg player, knocking guys out with one punch to be noticeable?? For a 4th liner with limited minutes he's looked ok for the most part. I rather have a 22 yr old that put up 28 goals last year than some non-physical AHL fodder in his current role with the Rangers.

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01-11-2011, 11:25 PM
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Yes but why not give someone else a shot to be a filler and be significant
Well lets say Grachev was playing well in Hartford (hypothetically), I could see the Rangers wanting to leave him in Hartford and continue to log significant minutes as opposed to calling him up and asking him to skate 6-8 minutes a night on our 4th line... Now if we had a spot open up on our 2nd or 3rd line, and a player like Grachev was playing well, then certainly you would call him up to fill that role...

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01-11-2011, 11:42 PM
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I just think he is being an appropriate chance to make his mark. It's up to him, really. If he plays well, great.

I didn't notice him tonight, at all. Other games, he has played a better game. Then again, the entire team was mediocre tonight.

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01-12-2011, 12:35 AM
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Yes, 7 games in, now let's give up. The guy doesn't yet know the first names of half his teammates.

How about we let him relax, get his game adjusted to the NHL, improve a little. The kid performed well in lower level hockey. I can't imagine that someone scoring 50+ points in the AHL would be completely without skill. And from what I saw, he can skate, he can shoot and he can make the breakout pass.

If we let him mature, the kid can be a solid player.
Wow a hockey player that can skate shoot and pass? We got a gem on our hands here. You think every prospect is going to pan out and it's just not the case. Not saying this guy won't but right now I don't see anything to get all excited about.

I think 7 games is a pretty good look and we didn't see ****.

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01-12-2011, 12:40 AM
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I think he'll be a fine fourth line mucker in time.

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01-12-2011, 01:07 AM
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He's been pretty ineffective, but in time, he'll be a decent 4th liner. May not be on this team, but he can be an NHLer.

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01-12-2011, 01:09 AM
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Icetime is earned not given. Even more true with Torts as the coach.
I never said he should just be given more. I'm just saying, it's tough to show much of anything when you're playing 5 minutes a game with some of our least productive players.

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01-12-2011, 01:12 AM
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Wow a hockey player that can skate shoot and pass? We got a gem on our hands here. You think every prospect is going to pan out and it's just not the case. Not saying this guy won't but right now I don't see anything to get all excited about.

I think 7 games is a pretty good look and we didn't see ****.

Have you actually read any of my posts? Like... any of them? Probably 9 times out of 10 I am accused of being overly negative.

I've actually started several threads that argued that prospects are always overrated because a great prospect is someone who is projected to be an average NHLer, but fans assume that great prospect = great NHLer.

Just the other day, I was writing that people are being ridiculous in preferring a 20-year-old rookie over a 28-year old vet even in the short term because they discount experience and pretend that "potential" actually means that a player will be good right now.

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Have you actually read any of my posts? Like... any of them? Probably 9 times out of 10 I am accused of being overly negative.

I've actually started several threads that argued that prospects are always overrated because a great prospect is someone who is projected to be an average NHLer, but fans assume that great prospect = great NHLer.

Just the other day, I was writing that people are being ridiculous in preferring a 20-year-old rookie over a 28-year old vet even in the short term because they discount experience and pretend that "potential" actually means that a player will be good right now.
Yeah, you definitely tend towards the "realistic projection" camp. You don't at all overrate prospects.

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01-12-2011, 06:57 AM
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Wow a hockey player that can skate shoot and pass? We got a gem on our hands here. You think every prospect is going to pan out and it's just not the case. Not saying this guy won't but right now I don't see anything to get all excited about.

I think 7 games is a pretty good look and we didn't see ****.
He said he thought Weise could use another handful of games before the professional couch scouts start determining his NHL future. It's valid to say he hasn't done anything bad and with the injuries we have it's not a bad thing to give him a few more games. Of course after 7 games him having not done a single thing it's also valid to say let him go back to AHL and see if another guy has a more immediate impact.

Of course it is just the 4th line we're calling them up to. I think he's actually been semi noticeable the last game or two. He doesn't seem to really skate around and hit people though as much as I thought he would.

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01-12-2011, 07:08 AM
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Only a ranger fan can size up a rookies entire career in the NHL after 8 games of limited ice time from a couch.

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01-12-2011, 07:15 AM
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Have you looked at the guy's ice time?

6:34 vs MTL
7:45 vs STL
2:53 vs DAL
3:09 vs CAR
4:04 vs FLA
6:49 vs TBL
exactly, everyone needs to chilax

Weise could turn into a good 3rd/4th liner.No rush. When Cally is back Weise is down but he atleast is getting a turn when injuries occur.

I did'nt think he was a big fighter but it seems as though he is playing that role because they dont have Boogie

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01-12-2011, 07:22 AM
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Yes but why not give someone else a shot to be a filler and be significant
Couldnt agree more.

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01-12-2011, 09:14 AM
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[QUOTE=Rangerdanger20;30149360]Dale Weise 7gp 0g 0a even+/- 14 pim and 5:25 min/g

First off I'm not going on a rant here because we lost, I've wanted to mention it since the game against the canes. Maybe my expectations are flawed or I'm just plain wrong which by all means if I am correct me but this kid has done nothing through 7 games has he not? 2 fights he won neither, or at least didn't clearly win either of them nor were either of them game changing like the fights prust gets into.

He clearly won the carcillo fight to me. He kinda scored a big goal in that game but it was waived off.

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01-12-2011, 10:18 AM
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Dale Weise 7gp 0g 0a even+/- 14 pim and 5:25 min/g

First off I'm not going on a rant here because we lost, I've wanted to mention it since the game against the canes. Maybe my expectations are flawed or I'm just plain wrong which by all means if I am correct me but this kid has done nothing through 7 games has he not? 2 fights he won neither, or at least didn't clearly win either of them nor were either of them game changing like the fights prust gets into.

He clearly won the carcillo fight to me. He kinda scored a big goal in that game but it was waived off.
Let's trade for Ray Whitney!

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01-12-2011, 10:31 AM
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He's been fine. 4th liner playing 5 minutes per game, 7 games into his NHL career. What the hell were you expecting? The next Iginla?

Weise busts his ass, plays with an edge, and will play whatever role is asked of him. That's exactly the kind of guy I want on the 4th line, and I think he has a future there with this team in that spot.

I thought he and Avery generated a lot of chances last night.

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01-12-2011, 11:41 AM
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Let's trade for Ray Whitney!
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I don't know what anyone is expecting from Weise anyways. If he "pans out" and reaches his full potential, he'll be Brandon Prust. We love Prust, but let's be real, Prust is a clear cut bottom-six banger with a little upside who can kill penalties, stand up for teammates, etc. He's never going to be a 15+ goal scorer or anything. To me, Weise's absolute ceiling would be to turn into another Prust. If he falls a little short of that mark, he'll be a solid 4th line grinder, which is almost exactly what he projects as anyways. People expecting more... don't know what to tell you. He's supposed to be a two-way grinding bottom-six forward.

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01-12-2011, 12:35 PM
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WTF? Really. Brandon Dubinsky's first call up was for 6 games. 0 points. The next year he made the team out of training camp. Weise is still a kid. Cut him some slack.

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I don't know what anyone is expecting from Weise anyways. If he "pans out" and reaches his full potential, he'll be Brandon Prust. We love Prust, but let's be real, Prust is a clear cut bottom-six banger with a little upside who can kill penalties, stand up for teammates, etc.

Guys like Prust, Weise, Werek, Boyle, Zucca, Bourque, Hagelin, Sauer, Valentenko, etc is the reason I am advocating that the Rangers should be drafting high-risk, high-return prospects this summer.

Without all these guys, you can't go for guys like Stepan, Kreider and Thomas (as they were on their draft day.)

You can't just role the dice on some high school kid or someone who's small-but-gifted or someone who's a long term project.

But if you have good role players, then you can go for the home run instead of a bunt.

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I agree. I want to see us draft high-risk high-reward europeans this draft, especially in the later rounds instead of overagers.

Without looking at any statistics or anything i'd wager we have one of the better bottom 6's in the league.

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I may be in the minority here, but I've been pretty consistent in my belief that I never thought he was anything special. Fourth liner at best, more likely a fill-in type.

Not much has happened to change my opinion.

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