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01-12-2011, 06:32 PM
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Versus feature on Flyers goaltending

Don't know if any of you guys saw this last night.

A very cool feature


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I'm not sure "cool" is the way I would describe it. Tragic is a better term.

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It's not as bad as that story makes it out to be.

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It's not as bad as that story makes it out to be.
Having lived through it... it's been pretty farcical at times.

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The goalie carousel has been painful and I've followed this team since 86....of course in that first year they took a dynasty team to the 7th game of the finals with a promising young rookie but although he was good for 30 wins in his initial years until his groin injuries...he was also good at letting goals in from the blue line in subsequent playoff years. Then he was traded for Lindros and the goalie carousel went into overdrive along with the coaching carousel. The only one you can't rip too much was Chechmanek although his meltdown and showing up his teammates b/c they couldn't score in the playoffs pretty much made him a marked man...literally in practice with shots at the head and figuratively.

I think this year we're somewhat more solidified with Bob and a more polished Boucher of late...but it remains to be seen if they can get us over the hump and steal some games (even a series) in the playoffs on their own which is needed if they hope to make it to the finals again....Roloson would have been ideal vet insurance....he's doing well in Tampa already.

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01-12-2011, 10:29 PM
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Goaltending is certainly the position at greatest risk of tanking in the playoffs. I just can't see dealing for anyone worth dealing for, if that makes any sense.

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Goaltending is certainly the position at greatest risk of tanking in the playoffs. I just can't see dealing for anyone worth dealing for, if that makes any sense.
It makes too much sense...the ship has sailed with respect to picking anything up that will make a difference. We have to go with what we got and solidify ourselves in other ways to offset any chinks in the armor. A faceoff specialist would help and a special teams specialist with some grit for the playoffs. They don't grow on trees and if they do it's from an endangered species of tree that will cost you..like a first rounder!

We shall see....at least the ride has been fun thus far despite the loss in the finals. They are not as mentally fragile which is a major thing and bodes well going forward even with the goalie doubts...

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01-13-2011, 01:43 PM
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This is the first time since Hextall that I felt comfortable with our Goaltending. Now that might be tough to say considering im basing this on a rookie and a guy who has been here before, but the confidence they have shown even this early has really made me believe.

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What about Nabokov to mentor Bob?

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Could anyone take the time to explain to me Ron Hextall?

I started watching Flyers hockey regularly in 95 when i was 8, and Hextall seemed just OK to me, not great. My first ever live game was Gretzky's last in Philadelphia, the Flyers were marred by injuries, and Hextall let an ugly goal in from beyond the blue line, we lost 5-2, and that game sticks out in my mind.

But I'm wikipediaing his stats, and obviously he was great in 87, i knew that, i knew he stood on his head in that series...but his stats were excellent in the late 90s too. Perhaps his spontaneous bad games stick to out me more than his good games? (if i recall, his bad games were usually atomically horrible). Was it because he had a great team around him? What's the Hextall story, is he really that great? Whenever someone says "we haven't had anything since Hextall, I usually shrug it off, remembering more bad then good.

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01-13-2011, 02:04 PM
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Calling Bobrovsky home grown is kind of false, no?

He has only even been in North America, let alone Philly, for about half of a year now.

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Could anyone take the time to explain to me Ron Hextall?

I started watching Flyers hockey regularly in 95 when i was 8, and Hextall seemed just OK to me, not great. My first ever live game was Gretzky's last in Philadelphia, the Flyers were marred by injuries, and Hextall let an ugly goal in from beyond the blue line, we lost 5-2, and that game sticks out in my mind.

But I'm wikipediaing his stats, and obviously he was great in 87, i knew that, i knew he stood on his head in that series...but his stats were excellent in the late 90s too. Perhaps his spontaneous bad games stick to out me more than his good games? (if i recall, his bad games were usually atomically horrible). Was it because he had a great team around him? What's the Hextall story, is he really that great? Whenever someone says "we haven't had anything since Hextall, I usually shrug it off, remembering more bad then good.
Hexy was almost two different players over the course of his career. In many ways, his reputation was built on that beyond-belief rookie season. After that, he struggled with chronic groin pulls and that robbed him of some of the lateral mobility and recovery ability he showed in his Vezina/Conn Smythe season. He was pretty inconsistent after his rookie year. Over the latter part of his career, he was more of a flopper.

Hextall only had that one truly outstanding season, a very good one in 1995-96 and a couple other decent ones. The fact that the team experienced so much success upon his return to the Flyers -- Conference Finals first year, top seed in the East his second year, Stanley Cup Finals the third year -- definitely helped build his legacy in Philly.

Of course, the other two parts of Hexy's legacy that can't be overlooked are the way that he revolutionized the way goaltenders handle the puck and the intimidation/craziness factor (mainly early in his career) that he brought.

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The premise of the report is overblown:

1) Cechamanek was a "clear cut number one" during his tenure in Philly. Two Bobby Clarke Trophies, a Vezina runner up and even Hart Trophy consideration his first season make it tough to say that he wasn't a number one goalie. We all know what happened in the playoffs, but Cechmanek was definitely an undisputed starter during that entire period.

2) They said that the Flyers haven't had a clear cut number one since Hexy was traded as part of the Lindros trade but Hextall was a clear cut number one the first two seasons after returning to Philly, Beezer was a clear-cut number one his first season after being signed as a free agent, Boucher sure as hell played like a number one after unseating Beezer as a rookie, and I already discussed Cechmanek.

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Hextall vs. Chelios. Probably why I am on this board today. I remember watching that game and being like, yup - thats my team! To this day when guys talk about how great Chelios or Scott Stevens were.....I want to hit something.

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The premise of the report is overblown:

1) Cechamanek was a "clear cut number one" during his tenure in Philly. Two Bobby Clarke Trophies, a Vezina runner up and even Hart Trophy consideration his first season make it tough to say that he wasn't a number one goalie. We all know what happened in the playoffs, but Cechmanek was definitely an undisputed starter during that entire period.

2) They said that the Flyers haven't had a clear cut number one since Hexy was traded as part of the Lindros trade but Hextall was a clear cut number one the first two seasons after returning to Philly, Beezer was a clear-cut number one his first season after being signed as a free agent, Boucher sure as hell played like a number one after unseating Beezer as a rookie, and I already discussed Cechmanek.
You points are valid. Regardless of if they overhype it - goaltending has been a problem in philly since I have been a fan. There have been some bright spots, hell - I liked Esche at times less the rebound control, but the fact is - every year coming into the playoffs they would say....."but philly has questions in net" and every year we would exit and fans would be wishing for better goaltending. Not unlike last year. Leighton did great, Boucher did great.....yet, we can't wait to run Leighton out of town and Boucher is playing great now and we want him replaced ASAP. This is Philly, the fans will never like a goalie until he delivers a cup or has no reason to be "questioned". The good news is.....Bobrovsky may just be the blue-chip can't miss guy we have been wanting. The guy we run out in the playoffs and the media does not lead with questions about our goalies.

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Hexy was almost two different players over the course of his career. In many ways, his reputation was built on that beyond-belief rookie season. After that, he struggled with chronic groin pulls and that robbed him of some of the lateral mobility and recovery ability he showed in his Vezina/Conn Smythe season. He was pretty inconsistent after his rookie year. Over the latter part of his career, he was more of a flopper.

Hextall only had that one truly outstanding season, a very good one in 1995-96 and a couple other decent ones. The fact that the team experienced so much success upon his return to the Flyers -- Conference Finals first year, top seed in the East his second year, Stanley Cup Finals the third year -- definitely helped build his legacy in Philly.

Of course, the other two parts of Hexy's legacy that can't be overlooked are the way that he revolutionized the way goaltenders handle the puck and the intimidation/craziness factor (mainly early in his career) that he brought.
Def Hextall was two different players after the chronic groin injuries as I noted earlier as well. However, although we technically had number 1 goalies during the regular season, the problem with our goaltending from what I recall is that it didn't really carry over into the playoffs in the sense that they performed like number 1's consistently. Players like Esche and Boosh caught lightening in a bottle but they never panned out into legit number 1's thereafter..hence the knock. We've had a carousel of goalie tryouts and some have worked up to a certain point. I agree Chechmanek was probably the most consistent number 1 we've had but he did have his meltdowns in the postseason. Hextall's run in 95-96 was an anomaly of sorts...his save percentage both in the regular season and playoffs was under 90% like we had with Leighton in the finals..another anomaly. Beezer's run in the playoffs was marred by short side goals vs Toronto..he didn't play as a number 1 in his "stint" during the playoffs and that's because his game had waned with age. As usual we got him a bit late. I guess that is really the issue...we never have gotten that goalie with a more proven and seasoned pedigree come the playoffs. This is why I wish the Flyers this offseason had made a pitch for Thomas rather than squandering all that cash on Leighton, Shelley, Walker and now Zherdev who I think is not playoff material..

Again Bob has made things somewhat not as bad going into the playoff's this year and maybe Boosh has turned a corner and with the D we may be able to go pretty far again with this tandem...but we still don't really know what we have in some ways. Again, if they run into a team that dominates them on faceoffs and controls the play..it throws off Laviolette's puck possession and attack game. We saw it with Chicago last year. In those cases you need a goalie that can stem the tide and win games on their own like Halak did for Montreal last year. If Halak was on the Flyers we would have won the cup in my mind but Holmgren passed on Halak that year when he was available for various reasons and some reasons that remain unclear. I'm still not sure we have that kind of goalie that can do it for 4 rounds ..although it's possible they can platoon and accomplish it like Laviolette did it with Ward and Gerber and what happened last year with Boosh and Leighton until Leighton squandered his chance in the finals.

Having said this ...I think we have a better chance this year platooning with Bob and Boosh who are more mentally sound and better technically but...


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Hexy was almost two different players over the course of his career. In many ways, his reputation was built on that beyond-belief rookie season. After that, he struggled with chronic groin pulls and that robbed him of some of the lateral mobility and recovery ability he showed in his Vezina/Conn Smythe season. He was pretty inconsistent after his rookie year. Over the latter part of his career, he was more of a flopper.

Hextall only had that one truly outstanding season, a very good one in 1995-96 and a couple other decent ones. The fact that the team experienced so much success upon his return to the Flyers -- Conference Finals first year, top seed in the East his second year, Stanley Cup Finals the third year -- definitely helped build his legacy in Philly.

Of course, the other two parts of Hexy's legacy that can't be overlooked are the way that he revolutionized the way goaltenders handle the puck and the intimidation/craziness factor (mainly early in his career) that he brought.
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Hexy was almost two different players over the course of his career. ....
+1

Having lived through it (with 1 eye open at times) you cut through the BS and nailed it.

Well done!

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The feature was decent, if a bit sensationalist. The situation itself was not necessary, but we've had solid goaltending in the last couple of years, even before this season. Since the season we do not speak about, I don't think goaltending was really something to complain about that much.

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The feature was decent, if a bit sensationalist. The situation itself was not necessary, but we've had solid goaltending in the last couple of years, even before this season. Since the season we do not speak about, I don't think goaltending was really something to complain about that much.
For all the hate he gets here, Biron really solidified the pipes for us for 2 seasons.

You don't post back to back >.91 SVPCT seasons behind a mediocre defensive team trying to play pond hockey under Stevens on accident.

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