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01-12-2011, 10:12 PM
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Most certainly not... Check Spezza's production on the season...
Yep. Sather has made his "experiment" move by acquiring Wolski, not that I'm against it. Wolski makes around $3.8 million?...and is 24 years old. A lot safer and more reasonable than going after Spezza who has a hefty salary and his production has been questionable over the last couple years.

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Most certainly not... Check Spezza's production on the season...
Not that the Rangers are going to get him, but Spezza's production this season has more to do with the Sens as a team than it does Spezza. Poorly coached, poorly constructed. Very little offensive skill on that team outside of Spezza, a 37 year old Alfie, and Karlsson. Guess you can count Kovalev and Gonchar, but they don't play hard very often, especially not on a team that isn't playing in meaningful games.

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01-12-2011, 10:34 PM
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Not that the Rangers are going to get him, but Spezza's production this season has more to do with the Sens as a team than it does Spezza. Poorly coached, poorly constructed. Very little offensive skill on that team outside of Spezza, a 37 year old Alfie, and Karlsson. Guess you can count Kovalev and Gonchar, but they don't play hard very often, especially not on a team that isn't playing in meaningful games.
There's talent on that team. Regardless of who's coaching them, they have the talent to produce a little bit more than they are. Michalek and Foligno are both good forwards too who just havent played well or at least havent produced. The reason why people suggest Spezza is because the majority here want a playmaker for gaborik. Well it doesnt seem like Spezza is doing that an ottawa because if he was setting those other forwards up they would be putting the puck in the net because they are skilled enough to do so. If he's not setting them up then its most likely because hes not showing up. We dont need that here. I dont care if our status is different because were in a playoff race, you show up every game and produce. He's making $7 million, not producing, and he has battled injuries. There is no reason to make the mistake of bringing him here.

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01-12-2011, 10:46 PM
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There's talent on that team. Regardless of who's coaching them, they have the talent to produce a little bit more than they are. Michalek and Foligno are both good forwards too who just havent played well or at least havent produced. The reason why people suggest Spezza is because the majority here want a playmaker for gaborik. Well it doesnt seem like Spezza is doing that an ottawa because if he was setting those other forwards up they would be putting the puck in the net because they are skilled enough to do so. If he's not setting them up then its most likely because hes not showing up. We dont need that here. I dont care if our status is different because were in a playoff race, you show up every game and produce. He's making $7 million, not producing, and he has battled injuries. There is no reason to make the mistake of bringing him here.
Foligno is a 3rd liner masquerading as a top six forward. I can't for the life of me understand how he was a first round pick. Michalek is a player who generates offense from his speed, but he looks a few steps slow. He's had some knee injuries if I recall, which is bad news for a player who relies on speed like he does.

Playing defense against the Sens isn't a scary proposition for opposing teams. You don't have to spread your forces thin because outside of Spezza and Alfredsson, they don't offer much. Their second line center, Fisher, is not a playmaker or skill player. More like a Drury type.

If you put Spezza on a better team, I think his numbers go right back to 80-90 points a season. There are legitimate concerns in terms of injuries with him, though. He's a bit fragile.

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01-13-2011, 12:13 AM
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Not that the Rangers are going to get him, but Spezza's production this season has more to do with the Sens as a team than it does Spezza. Poorly coached, poorly constructed. Very little offensive skill on that team outside of Spezza, a 37 year old Alfie, and Karlsson. Guess you can count Kovalev and Gonchar, but they don't play hard very often, especially not on a team that isn't playing in meaningful games.
I understand that Ottawa has issues/problems.. But if I'm trading any important young assets, it's not going to be for a player who's underachieving in his current situation/circumstances.... Way too big of a gamble and certainly not one that Sather would see as necessary to make. Original Poster who said he worried about that need not have any concerns at all about the issue.

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01-13-2011, 12:17 AM
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Foligno is a 3rd liner masquerading as a top six forward. I can't for the life of me understand how he was a first round pick. Michalek is a player who generates offense from his speed, but he looks a few steps slow. He's had some knee injuries if I recall, which is bad news for a player who relies on speed like he does.

Playing defense against the Sens isn't a scary proposition for opposing teams. You don't have to spread your forces thin because outside of Spezza and Alfredsson, they don't offer much. Their second line center, Fisher, is not a playmaker or skill player. More like a Drury type.

If you put Spezza on a better team, I think his numbers go right back to 80-90 points a season. There are legitimate concerns in terms of injuries with him, though. He's a bit fragile.
I'm sorry sting36e, I'm just not buying it. I understand what you're saying and your defense of him (not that your promoting us getting him). I just think his numbers are his own fault. I'm not saying he should be producing with the rest of the top players in the league at least the ones that are statistically currently the leaders, but I do believe his numbers should sure as hell be better than what they are. I know Foligno and Michalek arent fantastic players and are just average but they are certainly capable of putting the puck in the net. I just think Spezza's problems are his own. He should be playing better. Now I dont know if its the injury history that has knocked him off his game, but I just dont see the same player that was putting up big numbers years ago. He could come here and be a 60 point player. For $7 million thats not enough.

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01-13-2011, 12:20 AM
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I'm sorry sting36e, I'm just not buying it. I understand what you're saying and your defense of him (not that your promoting us getting him). I just think his numbers are his own fault. I'm not saying he should be producing with the rest of the top players in the league at least the ones that are statistically currently the leaders, but I do believe his numbers should sure as hell be better than what they are. I know Foligno and Michalek arent fantastic players and are just average but they are certainly capable of putting the puck in the net. I just think Spezza's problems are his own. He should be playing better. Now I dont know if its the injury history that has knocked him off his game, but I just dont see the same player that was putting up big numbers years ago. He could come here and be a 60 point player. For $7 million thats not enough.
Sounds like the exact same situation applies to Gaborik... Not surrounded by a ton of talent but should be performing considerably better on his own accord....

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Sounds like the exact same situation applies to Gaborik... Not surrounded by a ton of talent but should be performing considerably better on his own accord....
i agree..your right it does. i'm not giving him a free pass either. i think gabby is a little bit more on the cusp of getting out of this slump than spezza is. he has been getting more chances lately just not finishing.

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01-13-2011, 02:15 PM
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**NHL RUMORS** Besides Iginla > Rangers have supreme interest in (Defenseman) Robyn Regehr - Flames could package both in a huge deal soon


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Name that I haven't heard mentioned in any rumors, but I think would make sense for #NYR: Anton Babchuk
I wish. I've hoped that the Rangers would acquire Babchuk for about two seasons now.

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I wish. I've hoped that the Rangers would acquire Babchuk for about two seasons now.
I'm honestly more interested in Jamie McBain. That kid is going to be a stud.

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Left-handed shot, signed for 2 more season's after this, 4M cap hit. Unless we're talking about something like Gilroy+EC+Pick, I'm not interested. Love his big hits though, he'll certainly add some jam on our blueline. Just not sure I'm willing to commit to that salary.

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Left-handed shot, signed for 2 more season's after this, 4M cap hit. Unless we're talking about something like Gilroy+EC+Pick, I'm not interested. Love his big hits though, he'll certainly add some jam on our blueline. Just not sure I'm willing to commit to that salary.
Regehr for 4 mil is a good deal IMO. At the worst, it's fair price for him. If we're not sending Drury though, you can pretty much rule out Richards.

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Left-handed shot, signed for 2 more season's after this, 4M cap hit. Unless we're talking about something like Gilroy+EC+Pick, I'm not interested. Love his big hits though, he'll certainly add some jam on our blueline. Just not sure I'm willing to commit to that salary.
I don't quite believe we'll be going for Iginla. It really seems that we are making a legitimate youth movement on this team... HOWEVER... Iginla is a Torts type of player. Too bad his cap hit is so high, we would be unable to fit him under the cap.

I think Regher is more likely. We have an additional 1.2 mill in cap space. If we put Prospal and Boogard on injury reserve for rest of the year we open up at least another 3-4 in addition to the salaries we would be sending on the back.

If Gilroy maintains this play I find it hard to believe that he wouldnt be considered an asset in any potential trade. I could see Gilroy and maybe Grachev, or Gilroy and a 2nd or 3rd for Regehr.

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I think Regher is more likely. We have an additional 1.2 mill in cap space. If we put Prospal and Boogard on injury reserve for rest of the year we open up at least another 3-4 in addition to the salaries we would be sending on the back.
No, we don't. IR doesn't work that way. Putting them on IR would enable us to go 4.625 mil over the cap (prorated based on the number of days left in the season). But it would also mean using the bonus cushion and rolling bonuses over into next year. We aren't doing that.

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Gonchar?

I'm sure this will be unpopular, but what about Gonchar? He's older, and has a thick contract, but he put up great points last year, and IMO will be able to hack it for at least a few more years. He gives us a great PP point man, and not to mention veteran leadership, at least from an offensive standpoint. From what I can recall, his defense is far from a liability. What a great 1-2 on the PP point: Gonchar and the protege MDZ. We would have to send some salary back - and to Sather's credit there are not too many candidates left - but anyone like the idea?

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I'm sure this will be unpopular, but what about Gonchar? He's older, and has a thick contract, but he put up great points last year, and IMO will be able to hack it for at least a few more years. He gives us a great PP point man, and not to mention veteran leadership, at least from an offensive standpoint. From what I can recall, his defense is far from a liability. What a great 1-2 on the PP point: Gonchar and the protege MDZ. We would have to send some salary back - and to Sather's credit there are not too many candidates left - but anyone like the idea?
Absolutely not. Gonchar is brutal. Sens fans hate him.

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Seriously though, Regehr would be tremendous!

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Gaborik to LA talks again, according to the EKster. Lombardi way to slow on the trigger, if you ask me. Nothing ever happens with him.

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We are in the 2nd year of a 5 year deal with Gaborik. He was great for us this year, there are no indications that he's in torts dog house, and if he was it would still be way too dramatic to trade him this early. He's obviously injured, I don't understand how we are considering moving him... unless we get some unbelievable prospect who's projected to be better than him...

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Watch Sather flip Gaborik to LA in a three team deal with Calgary that involves Iginla, Regehr, and Schenn coming to NYC.

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Watch Sather flip Gaborik to LA in a three team deal with Calgary that involves Iginla, Regehr, and Schenn coming to NYC.
Hows Brayden Schenn projected to pan out in the NHL?

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