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01-13-2011, 01:57 PM
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lets not get excited boys. over the last handful of games he has scored a couple of clutch goals and has been RELATIVELY good compared to his teammates. it does not change the fact that he is far from being a star. its akin to the 9 year old taking over the ice rink after the older kids have left for the day.

benoit pouliot has has a few OK games. get real.
Your analogy suffers because the "older kids" on the Habs aren't much better than Pouliot. Lately he's been better than the higher paid Cammalleri and Kostitsyn, for instance.

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Your analogy suffers because the "older kids" on the Habs aren't much better than Pouliot. Lately he's been better than the higher paid Cammalleri and Kostitsyn, for instance.
Before getting 3 points the last 4 games, he went 8 games without a point, so I'm not sure how you figure he's outproducing anybody...by my math that's 3 points in 12 games. And last night his 3 penalities overshadowed his assist and help lose the game.

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I prefer him staying aways from Cammalleri , too much pressure to pass the puck to mister ''I'm the goal scorer here'' Cammalleri.I want Pouliot to have control of the puck and have offensive freedom.
I think both Pouliot and Cammy would score more goals if they played on a line where the center thinks...Pass first, then shoot as the second option.

Look at how many shots Gionta gets. With Gomez passing to him he often gets 10 or 12 shots a game counting..shots on goal and missed shots. Pouliot, Cammy and AK46 all are usually getting far fewer shots on goal. Pleks in surely a good player, but when he enters the attack zone he is looking to take a shot on goal first then pass second. Pleks shoots about 3 out of 4 times when he could pass or shoot.

Ak46, and Cammy are not scoring that many goals for the skill level they have. Put them with a pass first center like Gomez or DD and see how many goals they score. And of course Pouliot could benifit from playing with a pass first center too. I think we all remember how he was scoring last year when he had Gomez as his center.


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01-13-2011, 02:23 PM
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Pouliot is a beast!!! He's a big guy with a ton of skill....he just needs the right linemates and to be used in the correct way and he'll be a great player someday for the Habs.

He wasn't drafted 4th overall the same year Crosby was drafted for nothing....he's a good player with potential. Hopefully he'll stay healthy and not be injured for the next couple of seasons so he can find his game.
He's maddenigly inconsistant, and he doesn't really play "big" not as strong on his skates as he should be.

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01-13-2011, 02:40 PM
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I think both Pouliot and Cammy would score more goals if they played on a line where the center thinks...Pass first, then shoot as the second option.

Look at how many shots Gionta gets. With Gomez passing to him he often gets 10 or 12 shots a game counting..shots on goal and missed shots. Pouliot, Cammy and AK46 all are usually getting far fewer shots on goal. Pleks in surely a good player, but when he enters the attack zone he is looking to take a shot on goal first then pass second. Pleks shoots about 3 out of 4 times when he could pass or shoot.

Ak46, and Cammy are neither one scoring that many goals for the skill level they have. Put them with a pass first center like Gomez or DD and see how many goals they score. And of course Pouliot could benifit from playing with a pass first center too. I think we all remember how he was scoring last year when he had Gomez as his center.
I like Gionta and I have no real problem with him but he might be the most notorious player in the league for taking very low percentage shot a.k.a slapshot from the blueline.

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01-13-2011, 02:43 PM
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Well I think you will agree that he has the shot and the talent to be that kind of player. Also if he finish the season with 40 pts I don't why he couldn't do a 60 pts season later.

Also Interesting to add that he has now played 82 games as a Habs and he got 24 goal and 44 points, it's good for a 23-24 years old guy.
Definitely has the potential, and no doubt a lot of scouts saw it which is why he was a 4th overall pick. He wasn't just some off-the-board pick, either, as various rankings had him going top ten. As you point out he's already got 24 goals in one 'season's' worth. 30 is hardly a stretch. I just don't think I see much more than that as a ceiling, but 30 is still pretty awesome, relatively speaking, IMO. Especially since he's got good skating, is a pretty good forechecker, and rarely seems to have an out-in-space shift.

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01-13-2011, 03:20 PM
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I like Gionta and I have no real problem with him but he might be the most notorious player in the league for taking very low percentage shot a.k.a slapshot from the blueline.
What you say is quite true. But....look at who is currently leading the Habs in goals scored. None other than Gionta.

And one could take note of some of Pouliots goals this year. Taken from a very low percentage spot on the ice and yet he scored on them.

I am all for taking quality shots if possible and have repeatedly mentioned it on these boards, but if you cannot get them taking some shot is better than not getting any shots at all.

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There are times when Pouliot plays and you can see why he was picked 4th overall. There are other times when he makes mouth-breathingly awful turnovers and goes completely invisible for periods of time.

If he can work on his consistency, I think he can be a very key player for Montreal in the long run. He's young, so there's still time for him to get that down pat. The skills are clearly there, but now he needs to work on the mental fortitude.

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What you say is quite true. But....look at who is currently leading the Habs in goals scored. None other than Gionta.

And one could take note of some of Pouliots goals this year. Taken from a very low percentage spot on the ice and yet he scored on them.

I am all for taking quality shots if possible and have repeatedly mentioned it on these boards, but if you cannot get them taking some shot is better than not getting any shots at all.
Like I said , I like Gionta and I didn't say anything against his production , but I don,t his production is the result of taking that many shots.Sure when closer to the net he takes lots of shots also which is good for the kind of player he is , but his slapshots from the blueline are still hilarious lol.I don't even whine about it , makes me laugh in a good lighthearted way.I hope he keep up the good work.I'm also happy for Gomez , when Demers said Gomez werent sleeping well and had anxiety because of his poor production and pressure ( can't blame him ) I couldn't do nothing but encourage Scott at this point.His contract is so ridiculous it's not worth talking about to whine , he's a great team guy and his production is good lately , hopefully he sleeps better so he can help us more because an anxious player will never help you.

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01-13-2011, 04:18 PM
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Like I said , I like Gionta and I didn't say anything against his production , but I don,t his production is the result of taking that many shots.Sure when closer to the net he takes lots of shots also which is good for the kind of player he is , but his slapshots from the blueline are still hilarious lol.I don't even whine about it , makes me laugh in a good lighthearted way.I hope he keep up the good work.I'm also happy for Gomez , when Demers said Gomez werent sleeping well and had anxiety because of his poor production and pressure ( can't blame him ) I couldn't do nothing but encourage Scott at this point.His contract is so ridiculous it's not worth talking about to whine , he's a great team guy and his production is good lately , hopefully he sleeps better so he can help us more because an anxious player will never help you.
Again I agree with you. I too wish Gionta would not take so many shots from just inside the blueline. There is almost no chance of scoring on that play. But overall I am very happy with the way Gio plays the game.

As mentioned many times on these boards being confidence has such a huge impact on how a players plays the game, and his production, scoring and making good plays.

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01-13-2011, 05:09 PM
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Let's not go crazy over here he's only been playing great hockey since Desharnais was called up and put on his line. He was weak on the puck and just all-around average when he played with Eller.

I thought he played a really good game aside from the penalties but I recall two passes he made yesterday that just weren't there at all. He makes bad reads all over the ice. I don't see how he could have ever been a center in the past.

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Let's not go crazy over here he's only been playing great hockey since Desharnais was called up and put on his line.
Disagree completely.

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Let's not go crazy over here he's only been playing great hockey since Desharnais was called up and put on his line. He was weak on the puck and just all-around average when he played with Eller.

I thought he played a really good game aside from the penalties but I recall two passes he made yesterday that just weren't there at all. He makes bad reads all over the ice. I don't see how he could have ever been a center in the past.

they were, along with Darche, our best line for a while...

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He's maddenigly inconsistant, and he doesn't really play "big" not as strong on his skates as he should be.
I think his lack of strength and balance on his skates is really what hampers him. He is very weak on the puck for a guy his size. He should be a player more capable of driving around and thru defenseman but instead he settles for low percentage dipsy doodles and perimeter shots.

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Let's not go crazy over here he's only been playing great hockey since Desharnais was called up and put on his line. He was weak on the puck and just all-around average when he played with Eller.

I thought he played a really good game aside from the penalties but I recall two passes he made yesterday that just weren't there at all. He makes bad reads all over the ice. I don't see how he could have ever been a center in the past.
...and that "great" is 2-1-3 in 4 games with 3 minor penalities last night.


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I think a star is a little far off but I think he's a perfect third liner who can pick up extra responsibilities such as special teams or stepping up in players absence. His confidence, as mentioned by another poster, plays a huge role in Pouliot's game and at times, particularly in the defensive systems he plays in to which he's not naturally inclined, leads him to overthink his game. Confidence, or a lack there of, is the biggest thing holding Pouliot back, in my opinion, from being a regular top six forward but if he were too overcome it and/or go into a more offensive oriented system he'd thrive.

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If Pouliot can become a star
I can become a porn star

Serviceable NHLer with a decent run is more likely

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If Pouliot can become a star
I can become a porn star

Serviceable NHLer with a decent run is more likely

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When the guy plays with his size and skills he can carry that puck across the blue-line and get by anyone. It is for him to get to that confidence point in which he can do it game in and game out. I can live with the penalties if he was consistent in his game, I can't live with the inconsistency and the penalties as a whole by the team in regards to the hooks and slashes

I cannot for the life of me understand how a team like ours with no fighter or goon is second in the league for penalty minutes. It is obvious that we are too small and are trying to fight off checks or hold players off with our sticks instead of our bodies.

Poulie is progressing pretty well, when Cammy comes back maybe a promotion with Pleks and Cammy would be ideal.

Put Eller, DD and Darche together for a third unit.

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Pouliot>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cammalleri, got it.

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Pouliot = Spezza. Not as dominant as Spezza can be but streaky like Spezza.

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I cannot for the life of me understand how a team like ours with no fighter or goon is second in the league for penalty minutes. It is obvious that we are too small and are trying to fight off checks or hold players off with our sticks instead of our bodies.
We are, really? Wow. Kind of weird for a coach known for stressing discipline with his teams.

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Pouliot = Spezza. Not as dominant as Spezza can be but streaky like Spezza.
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I cannot for the life of me understand how a team like ours with no fighter or goon is second in the league for penalty minutes.
We are not even close to second in the league in PIM. There's 5 teams ahead of us in minors. 24 ahead of us in majors. 10 ahead of us in total penalties. 16 teams ahead of us in PIM and PIM/G.

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We are, really? Wow. Kind of weird for a coach known for stressing discipline with his teams.
We were a week or two ago, now middle of the pack, but still too high for our team.

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We were a week or two ago, now middle of the pack, but still too high for our team.
In a week's time 8 or 9 teams got 200-300 penalty minutes to pass us? I'm sure that's the case.

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