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01-14-2011, 10:48 AM
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Jeff Carter - future at wing or Center?

I am curious what everyone is thinking about this. I personally believe we need to move Giroux back to center as he does such a great job on seeing the ice, creating and making his line better in the middle. Carter has been back a center with Giroux on the wing and Giroux is in a slump and that line is not producing like it was.

Carter is signed for 11 years and Giroux is getting a similar contract when the time comes, so - who is the winger and who is the Center?

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01-14-2011, 11:07 AM
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They really should be split up, as they don't seem to create an awful lot. IMO Carter should be center because I feel the two are equally as productive up the middle, but Carter's game suffer's more by putting him on the wing. If he continues to play wing he should play left wing IMO.

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01-14-2011, 11:11 AM
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Who plays where isn't as much concern to as is who they are paired with and Giroux and Carter paired together is a an absolute waste of BOTH of their talents.

Giroux needs the puck on his stick to make those around him better.

Carter needs to puck on his stick to be a one man army.

Therefore, play Giroux with positional scorers and playmakers and Carter with muckers and grinders, regardless of where they play.

Also, if Carter goes back to wing for ****s sake put him on the left... putting him at right wing was the first truly retarded thing Lavi has done as our HC, imo.

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01-14-2011, 11:35 AM
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Who plays where isn't as much concern to as is who they are paired with and Giroux and Carter paired together is a an absolute waste of BOTH of their talents.

Giroux needs the puck on his stick to make those around him better.

Carter needs to puck on his stick to be a one man army.

Therefore, play Giroux with positional scorers and playmakers and Carter with muckers and grinders, regardless of where they play.

Also, if Carter goes back to wing for ****s sake put him on the left... putting him at right wing was the first truly retarded thing Lavi has done as our HC, imo.
Couldn't agree more. Put Roo back on Richie's line and Zherdev on Carter's line so they can both do their one-man-army thing.

I do think Carter needs to stay at center though as 56.1% on faceoffs is pretty boss. Backstrom called him the toughest right handed draw in the league.

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The line they had last night was working, and getting some sick chances last night...


It's no telling where he will end up, some games hes on the wing, some games he's at center..

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01-14-2011, 12:12 PM
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Who plays where isn't as much concern to as is who they are paired with and Giroux and Carter paired together is a an absolute waste of BOTH of their talents.

Giroux needs the puck on his stick to make those around him better.

Carter needs to puck on his stick to be a one man army.

Therefore, play Giroux with positional scorers and playmakers and Carter with muckers and grinders, regardless of where they play.

Also, if Carter goes back to wing for ****s sake put him on the left... putting him at right wing was the first truly retarded thing Lavi has done as our HC, imo.
Agree with this post.

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Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Nodl-Richards-Giroux
JVR-Carter-Zherdev
Shelley-Betts-Powe

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Who plays where isn't as much concern to as is who they are paired with and Giroux and Carter paired together is a an absolute waste of BOTH of their talents.

Giroux needs the puck on his stick to make those around him better.

Carter needs to puck on his stick to be a one man army.

Therefore, play Giroux with positional scorers and playmakers and Carter with muckers and grinders, regardless of where they play.

Also, if Carter goes back to wing for ****s sake put him on the left... putting him at right wing was the first truly retarded thing Lavi has done as our HC, imo.
Well, this sums it up nicely.

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Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Nodl-Richards-Giroux
JVR-Carter-Zherdev
Shelley-Betts-Powe
Yes - I like this. Of course Carcillo for Shelley would be my preference, but that isn't happening.....so this works. I agree with the other posters here as well. Break them up is probably the best approach. I love Giroux with Richards.

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01-14-2011, 01:05 PM
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i believe we should mix our "remaining six" from game to game/period to period to throw other teams off of us.

hartnell-briere-leino (obvious line)
richards-carter-zherdev
JVR-Giroux-Nodl
completely mix and match these guys...personally i like rich/carter/nodl
jvr/roo/Z
but for different teams/when certain guys are "on" mix and match accordingly.

I feel fluidity to our lines is what will allow us to adapt and go far in the playoffs as a TEAM.

just my 2 cents

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Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Nodl-Richards-Giroux
JVR-Carter-Zherdev
Carcillo-Betts-Powe
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Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Nodl-Richards-Giroux
JVR-Carter-Zherdev
Shelley-Betts-Powe
this this this. I would love this line up and then get somebody at the deadline to compliment Betts and Powe. Shelly is a playoff non factor and it appears that Carcillo is done with us. Another PK specialist and we look good.
As for Carter on the wing or Centre, he just needs to play. I see Giroux as a better playmaker and possession guy in order to be effective whereas Carter needs to follow the Stamkos style and start shooting, he isn't physical but he can use his speed to create space, he needs to play wing and develop on the side.

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Carter is just experiencing what Giroux and Briere had to put up with and now it's his turn to round out his game a bit on the wing although he's not exactly doing a great job of it but he's still on his perennial 30 goal pace....

I will say that overall this year in particular I'm not impressed with Carter's game.The best game where he really was noticeable on a consistent basis was the last game against Pitt. He was very very good..I hope we see that in the playoffs b/c when he gets more involved he's worth his contract no doubt.

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Carter is just experiencing what Giroux and Briere had to put up with and now it's his turn to round out his game a bit on the wing although he's not exactly doing a great job of it but he's still on his perennial 30 goal pace....

I will say that overall this year in particular I'm not impressed with Carter's game.The best game where he really was noticeable on a consistent basis was the last game against Pitt. He was very very good..I hope we see that in the playoffs b/c when he gets more involved he's worth his contract no doubt.
If Carter played with the grit and determination he does during certain stretches and games he could be a guy who is a 40-40 type player. Unfortunately I do not think he has the focus and determination to be that guy, he relies on his skills to be the best player he can and sometimes that it not enough at this level of play.

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I don't love or hate Carter, but he needs to take a page out of JVR's book and start going to the net more often. He'd easily add 8-10 goals per year if he did that. He also needs to pass more often and set up a cycle instead of taking wrist shots from the top of the circle straight at the goalie.

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I don't love or hate Carter, but he needs to take a page out of JVR's book and start going to the net more often. He'd easily add 8-10 goals per year if he did that. He also needs to pass more often and set up a cycle instead of taking wrist shots from the top of the circle straight at the goalie.
I do think he has a one track mind too often and def needs to round out his game. He is young enough to do so...but so far this year I haven't seen a consistent effort or willingness to diversify his game a bit....JVR has which is a good point.

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I do think he has a one track mind too often and def needs to round out his game. He is young enough to do so...but so far this year I haven't seen a consistent effort or willingness to diversify his game a bit....JVR has which is a good point.
JVR has better all-around offensive skill. Which is why if he develops to his full potential, he could be a complete stud.

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Who plays where isn't as much concern to as is who they are paired with and Giroux and Carter paired together is a an absolute waste of BOTH of their talents.

Giroux needs the puck on his stick to make those around him better.

Carter needs to puck on his stick to be a one man army.

Therefore, play Giroux with positional scorers and playmakers and Carter with muckers and grinders, regardless of where they play.

Also, if Carter goes back to wing for ****s sake put him on the left... putting him at right wing was the first truly retarded thing Lavi has done as our HC, imo.
Good post!

Although it doesn't agree with the above line of thinking, the JVR-Carter-Zherdev line played well together. I don't like Giroux and Carter paired up no matter who is centering.

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Carter is a great skater, no doubt. He's a pretty big dude, but he really doesn't his size to its fullest potential. He has a great wrist shot, but he really does shoot a little too much. JVR is also a great skater, but he is starting to realize he can use his size to his advantage. JVR is a better passer than Carter, although Carter's shot is much better. Apparently, JVR has a wicked slapshot, but I haven't seen him use it in a game. The one time I saw him wind up for a slapper was the last time we played the Devils at home, and he whiffed. If we could somehow combine their skills, we'd have one hell of a player. As for Carter's long-term position, I'd stick him at center for his defensive capabilities, and leave Giroux at wing until Briere departs. I'd also like to see Carter out on the PK more often to relieve Richards.

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Those of you saying Carter isn't cycling must not be watching many games this year. Especially when he has been with JVR they have been cycling very successfully.

BTW Carter should be a C. Best facoff guy on our team by far and for reasons like this:



Maybe he can play wing in the offensive zone after the draw, but otherwise he should be a C


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Let's make a deal . . .

I say trade Carts. If he has a NTC in his contract, let him waive it like Gags did.
We need better goal-tending. Mr. High n' Wide might be a good bargaining chip (if Homer can snooker another franchise into taking him).


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Those of you saying Carter isn't cycling must not be watching many games this year. Especially when he has been with JVR they have been cycling very successfully.
I don't know, I guess I just see him enter the zone 1 on 2 and take a futile wrist shot too many times. I'd prefer he just dumped it in and let him linemates chase and set up a cycle. I think it's his zone entry that pisses me off. And he does opt to shoot when he should pass way too much, although I suppose that's the sign of a goal scorer/sniper.

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Those of you saying Carter isn't cycling must not be watching many games this year. Especially when he has been with JVR they have been cycling very successfully.

BTW Carter should be a C. Best facoff guy on our team by far and for reasons like this:



Maybe he can play wing in the offensive zone after the draw, but otherwise he should be a C
Not exactly..I've pretty much watched every game thus far like the hockey nerd I am and I've also watched Carter's play...like I mentioned in my earlier post the game against Pitt he did exceptionally well. He's had a few more here and there where he's been noticeable b/c he's been more involved but overall this year (possibly b/c he's adjusting to the wing) he's been pretty "peripheral" with his game.

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That being said, he is very good in the defensive zone and can skate with the best of them. I don't think we should trade him unless the return is a high-scoring power forward or a legit #1 goalie.

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How about his goal last night. Nobody in the league stops that one. I was watching the Boston telecast and they were all over it. That is the interesting thing about being a fan of this team forced to watch opposing teams telecast. You realize just how highly the rest of the league views our players. Carter is a stud, he is a top 10-20 center in the league. I am good with the suggestions to leave him at Center and put Giroux on the wing with Richards. That works for me.

For the Carter hate, he comes into camp in the best shape of everyone. He has a good cycle game and is our second best two way forward. Sure he misses the net a lot, but so does Ovechkin, Sharp, Heatley and other pure goal scorers that lead the league in scoring. However - I think this year he is much better than last and that tells me he still hasn't reached his peak. I suspect in the next couple of years once they figure out lines and a guy to feed him, he will get back to 40 goals. I started this to see where he should play, not to give people a forum to start crapping on him again. Damn, I thought we were past that.

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