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Who's really leading us... Torts or Sather?

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Tortorella 79 90.80%
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01-14-2011, 06:03 PM
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Who's really leading us... Torts or Sather?

It just seems that since Torts took over, the whole way this organization works has changed, for the better. I gotta go with Torts on this one.

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01-14-2011, 06:17 PM
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haven't seen Sather since the draft. screw him

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Torts is the one that really wanted the team to get younger. JT has played a big part, no doubt.

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01-14-2011, 06:22 PM
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It just seems that since Torts took over, the whole way this organization works has changed, for the better. I gotta go with Torts on this one.
Torts certainly talks like a coach who is control, not often you hear a coach say we need to give the kids time...he certainly seems to be in it for the long haul and doesn't appear to feel his job is in jeapordy if he misses the playoffs.

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01-14-2011, 06:28 PM
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I think Sather became a puppet of Tortorella. So be it. Makes me agree what Sather's doing then.

I always loved Tortorella. The guy knows his ****.

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01-14-2011, 06:33 PM
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[/RIGHT]FLA;30213022]I think Sather became a puppet of Tortorella. So be it. Makes me agree what Sather's doing then.

I always loved Tortorella. The guy knows his ****.
I can't help but feel the same. Torts must be calling the shots because we all know too well that youth isn't Sathers game. If that's the case then I have to say it's rather comforting knowing torts is the real GM because I trust him a hell of a lot more than Sather.

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01-14-2011, 06:34 PM
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We had a good coach in Renney but a great coach in Tortorella. When you get good coaches following good coaches, the team usually turns out very well.

Hope Tortorella stays for a while too. Don't know why this stupid thing has occurred in hockey where coaches don't last long. That has to change.

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01-14-2011, 06:37 PM
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Some fans wanted Laviolette. I'm not so sure he would have been so much outspoken about the organization needing to go with the kids. Trading some vets in favor of going with a kid even. Avoid signing Kolvachuck as well as other UFA.

He's definitely played a big role in this lets build from within philosophy.

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01-14-2011, 06:38 PM
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But give credit to Sather for letting Torts tell him what he wants.

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01-14-2011, 07:08 PM
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Torts gutted this team when he got here, torts kinda guys have been brought in prospal and feds, and guys that play right into his system have been brought in. And you have to think torts has a big say in what sather does with his checkbook and tradepieces at the deadline, draft and offseason. Gotta give it to torts he's getting it done.

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01-14-2011, 07:09 PM
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lol, Sather has 0 votes.

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01-14-2011, 07:12 PM
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Yeah, Sather is still the one in control. He might have loosened the reins just a little bit, but he's still got them.

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01-14-2011, 07:15 PM
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Should be an option for joint effort because that's really what it is. They are working together, it's far from a Keenan and Smith type relationship.

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01-14-2011, 07:23 PM
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Sather still has the reins people...to think otherwise is insane. He has given Tortorella a long leash, as it were, but Sather is running everything. We know Slats isn't a big media guy so its no surprise he hasn't been saying much.

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01-14-2011, 07:24 PM
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Both have good people working for them, and its about time. But lets not get crazy here, the big holes missing from this team have to be someones fault.

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01-14-2011, 07:31 PM
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I vote Messier!

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Ive said it.before and ill say it again....not enough credit can be given to torts for the state of this team

When every member of the team is buying into the system 100% and busting their ass on the ice you have to attribute that to coaching and leadership

It's painfully obvious that regardless of what fans think/thought about torts the players believe in him

You don't have to love the system, cause its the execution that really matters

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01-14-2011, 08:12 PM
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Tortorella is responsible for how the team is playing...and should be since he's head coach.

But ultimately the way the Rangers have been trending, trying to build through the draft, etc, started before Tortorella and is definitely on Sather

Also pretty amused at how big of a turnaround we see on this board after last year when it seemed like most people hated Tortorella, or at least there was a very vocal group

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I can't confirm this with any inside sources.

But, from what I gather, from reading and listening...

Who is in charge is an entity consisting of the people at the head of hockey operations. And I say hockey operations, because Dolan as a owner is pretty hands-off.

Sather -President/GM
Schoenfeld -Assistant GM
Clark -Player Development/Scouting
Tortorella -Head Coach
Sullivan -Assistant Coach

They all gather, discuss, debate, form a collective philosophy, and carry it out.

That's what I gather.

Messier and Graves may or may not have a voice, as well. I'm sure those guys I listed above value Messier's and Graves' opinions.

Dolan is the owner, but Sather is President of the Rangers organization. He oversees all things regarding hockey in the Rangers organization. He runs the show.

But he has his staff, and he values their input. They're all on the same page.

So, I can't vote on this poll.

Its a collective entity.

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01-14-2011, 08:37 PM
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Tortorella is responsible for how the team is playing...and should be since he's head coach.

But ultimately the way the Rangers have been trending, trying to build through the draft, etc, started before Tortorella and is definitely on Sather

Also pretty amused at how big of a turnaround we see on this board after last year when it seemed like most people hated Tortorella, or at least there was a very vocal group
Last year this team did not play the Torts type of game and Tortorella himself was incredibly obnoxious at times.

Now? It seems as if things are clicking. Tortorella is fitting into the NY media and we can just see what he's been able to do with guys like Dubinsky.

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01-14-2011, 08:44 PM
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Torts all the way

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01-14-2011, 08:55 PM
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Tortorella is responsible for how the team is playing...and should be since he's head coach.

But ultimately the way the Rangers have been trending, trying to build through the draft, etc, started before Tortorella and is definitely on Sather

Also pretty amused at how big of a turnaround we see on this board after last year when it seemed like most people hated Tortorella, or at least there was a very vocal group
People hate losing...can't really blame for that...who doesn't?

A little hindsight and logical thinking though will bring most fans to realize torts has performed pretty admirably with the hand he's been dealt here up to this point

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01-14-2011, 09:47 PM
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It just seems like an awkward question. I mean Torts is the coach so he leads the team day-to-day, but Sather is the GM so he leads general direction of the franchise. There really should be an option that gives them both their due.

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I think Sather is slowly phasing himself out of being GM. It wasn't too long ago we were chanting Fire Sather at MSG and calling for his head on these boards and even rallying outside MSG. I also think he's decided to take a more hands-off approach to managing and concentrating only on the business side of things.

Mark Messier has been "special assistant to the GM" and rumored to be Sather's "apprentice" so that Mess can take over when he retires.

I really think Sather has changed the way he manages things, and gives Torts a lot of freedom and leeway to do things the way he wants to do them. This season and last season really felt like Sather basically said to Torts: tell me who and what you want and I'll go do my best to get them for you. Money is no object either.

and like SupersonicMonkey said I think NYR is run more like a committee with Sullivan, Torts, Schoenfeld, Sather and Clark collaborating instead of the typical Top-down managerial system you see in most places.

Whatever it is their doing, it's working and I have no complaints.

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