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Who's really leading us... Torts or Sather?

View Poll Results: Who's really leading this team?
Tortorella 79 90.80%
Sather 8 9.20%
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01-14-2011, 10:03 PM
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01-14-2011, 10:37 PM
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Where's the "Dubinsky" option?

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01-14-2011, 10:37 PM
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I think Sather is slowly phasing himself out of being GM. It wasn't too long ago we were chanting Fire Sather at MSG and calling for his head on these boards and even rallying outside MSG. I also think he's decided to take a more hands-off approach to managing and concentrating only on the business side of things.

Mark Messier has been "special assistant to the GM" and rumored to be Sather's "apprentice" so that Mess can take over when he retires.

I really think Sather has changed the way he manages things, and gives Torts a lot of freedom and leeway to do things the way he wants to do them. This season and last season really felt like Sather basically said to Torts: tell me who and what you want and I'll go do my best to get them for you. Money is no object either.

and like SupersonicMonkey said I think NYR is run more like a committee with Sullivan, Torts, Schoenfeld, Sather and Clark collaborating instead of the typical Top-down managerial system you see in most places.

Whatever it is their doing, it's working and I have no complaints.
The Roszival trade was big evidence of that. imo

You had Tortorella openly down on his play. Next thing you know he's traded and another youngster is given a legit shot.

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01-14-2011, 11:04 PM
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The Roszival trade was big evidence of that. imo

You had Tortorella openly down on his play. Next thing you know he's traded and another youngster is given a legit shot.
Gaborik must be the next to go.


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01-14-2011, 11:10 PM
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I can't confirm this with any inside sources.

But, from what I gather, from reading and listening...

Who is in charge is an entity consisting of the people at the head of hockey operations. And I say hockey operations, because Dolan as a owner is pretty hands-off.

Sather -President/GM
Schoenfeld -Assistant GM
Clark -Player Development/Scouting
Tortorella -Head Coach
Sullivan -Assistant Coach

They all gather, discuss, debate, form a collective philosophy, and carry it out.

That's what I gather.

Messier and Graves may or may not have a voice, as well. I'm sure those guys I listed above value Messier's and Graves' opinions.

Dolan is the owner, but Sather is President of the Rangers organization. He oversees all things regarding hockey in the Rangers organization. He runs the show.

But he has his staff, and he values their input. They're all on the same page.

So, I can't vote on this poll.

Its a collective entity.

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01-15-2011, 11:40 AM
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None of the Above...Its this guy!!!!!!




He was promoted to senior amateur scout in 2005 and that's when thing started improving. In 2207 he took his current position and to not beat a dead horse, I won't mention who had it before him.


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01-15-2011, 03:14 PM
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Dang old blackberry, sorry for the double post.

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01-15-2011, 03:24 PM
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youth movement started when Renney was here.

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01-15-2011, 03:33 PM
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youth movement started when Renney was here.
Agreed, but it was accelerated when Torts got here...I think the difference between Torts and Renney is that Torts is comfortable handing the key minutes of the game to his kids, if they prove they are worthy. Michael Sauer is a prime example of that.

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Agreed, but it was accelerated when Torts got here...I think the difference between Torts and Renney is that Torts is comfortable handing the key minutes of the game to his kids, if they prove they are worthy. Michael Sauer is a prime example of that.
Renney never had kids capable of it the way that Tortorella does.

Do you guys really think, for an instant, that Tortorella is not doing something that Sather put the rubber stamp on? Tortorella is operating inside the bounds of what Sather wants, therefore Sather is the one "leading us." I also think that Tortorella's new-found calmness is a combination of 1) Sather's influence on him and 2) the fact that this team hasn't hit a truly rocky stretch of the season yet. More the former than the latter.

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01-15-2011, 08:19 PM
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It's definitely a power struggle, and I think Torts has definitely gotten his way with certain players and hasn't with others.

He's gotten his way in a sense that guys like Stepan, Fedotenko, etc.

There are obvious guys that I think both can agree on, such as Callahan, Gaborik, Staal

Then there are Sather guys, Boogaard...White...you could argue Eminger. It's not as if all of "Sather guys" are bad players.

Then there are Sather's lingering mistakes, money wise at least, in guys like Drury. I think he may actually be the last one you can really call that, other than Boogaard. But at least Drury brings SOMETHING when he's int he lineup.

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01-15-2011, 08:35 PM
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It just seems that since Torts took over, the whole way this organization works has changed, for the better. I gotta go with Torts on this one.
I agree100%

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